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If they were potential leaders, one would think they would have held their seats.
Australian Federal Election 2025
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I'm never rusted on Rumpy, I'm the eternal swing voter, I vote for who I think deserves to get in which party they are doesn't bother me at all.Rusted on now sp?
I did say Dutton is unelectable, I also said Labor needs to get in to see out the major projects they have started, it will be a new experience for them.
It's always been about the Senate. The attempt at Div 296 legislation failed there. No doubt Labor will get any legislation passed in the House but the make up of the Senate is pivotal in it becoming law.
Rather than news media, this is of prime importance.
2025 Federal Election - AEC Tally Room
Tally Room - The Official Election Results
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Indeed.
I missed Albo's acceptance speech because Geelong v Collingwood was getting close.
A closer and more interesting game than the election.
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Looking ahead. Can Australia look forward to a more constructive conversation about our future ? As distinct from the culture wars BS that dominates current politics ?
And, on election night, the shock and story were focused on the collapse of the Coalition vote and of the demise of Opposition Leader Peter Dutton and so many of his lieutenants.
But the extraordinary poll result — on par with the worst result for any major party since 1949 — was won by a campaign that was overwhelmingly positive and framed around the future.
.... A chance to change how we talk about the future
It has been so long since we have not had culture wars or grievances dominating our politics — or its undertones — it is hard to imagine what it might look like.
It opens up the scope for rational discussion about policy at a time when we need it.
Any re-election victory would have increased the authority and confidence of the prime minister. But the comprehensive nature of this particular win gives him the chance to change the narrative of our politics, as well as the policy discussion.
The caveat on all this of course is what results we see in the Senate — and its implications for the extent of any legislative agenda.
But even if constrained in the upper house, the government has a chance to change the way we talk about our future.
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This election result shows Labor learned a lesson that the Coalition did not
The story of the 2025 election was about a shambolic Coalition campaign.And, on election night, the shock and story were focused on the collapse of the Coalition vote and of the demise of Opposition Leader Peter Dutton and so many of his lieutenants.
But the extraordinary poll result — on par with the worst result for any major party since 1949 — was won by a campaign that was overwhelmingly positive and framed around the future.
.... A chance to change how we talk about the future
It has been so long since we have not had culture wars or grievances dominating our politics — or its undertones — it is hard to imagine what it might look like.
It opens up the scope for rational discussion about policy at a time when we need it.
Any re-election victory would have increased the authority and confidence of the prime minister. But the comprehensive nature of this particular win gives him the chance to change the narrative of our politics, as well as the policy discussion.
The caveat on all this of course is what results we see in the Senate — and its implications for the extent of any legislative agenda.
But even if constrained in the upper house, the government has a chance to change the way we talk about our future.
Labor's victory showed it learnt lessons the Coalition did not
The comprehensive nature of this win gives Anthony Albanese the chance to change the narrative of our politics.
www.abc.net.au
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Swa Keith Holohan on Insiders.
Classy.Young. Served in SAS, a barrister., can speak Mandarin
Could have been the new Lib leader.
He made some very pertinent points about the Liberal Party policies and metropolitan seats.
It's a shame he has lost his Melbourne seat. He is what they need.
Classy.Young. Served in SAS, a barrister., can speak Mandarin
Could have been the new Lib leader.
He made some very pertinent points about the Liberal Party policies and metropolitan seats.
It's a shame he has lost his Melbourne seat. He is what they need.
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An AFR opinion, from a LNP writer so biaised, i fully share
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Australia has chosen the Labor way of dependency
If Australians knew the country was at a tipping point, they deliberately chose the tip. Becoming the poor white trash of Asia is now a distinct possibility.
Pru GowardColumnist
May 4, 2025
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By definition, democracies are never wrong. In a compulsory voting system, there can be no doubt that the very decisive election result was intentional. So determined was the electorate to continue the Labor course of the last three years, the opposition leader lost his seat.
No doubt there will be millions of words and hours of effort devoted by the Coalition to working out what went wrong. Many others will critique their performance, their lack of policy effort and their apparent lack of hunger, but what is obvious is that Australia has chosen the Labor way.
If Australians knew the country was at a tipping point, they deliberately chose the tip. Alex Ellinghausen
It cannot have been because the electorate preferred one set of cost-of-living bribes against another; these were much of a muchness and if households really had done their own accounts, I suspect the result would have been more mixed and less decisive.
It cannot have been because the electorate feared the Coalition’s radicalism, because there was none, unless you count the nuclear power proposal, which they failed to explain.
It cannot have been because the electorate considered that the country was at a security and economic tipping point and chose to remain with the party that was demonstrably able to manage the future better. Rather, the government denied the existence of such a tipping point and the only crisis either party was prepared to acknowledge was the cost of living. Yes, the cost of living was an issue, but nowhere near the social and economic crisis of the Great Depression, which was an issue for the one-term Scullin government.
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There can be no business, economic or security analyst in the country who will not appreciate the disaster now likely to unfold under an emboldened Labor government.
Becoming the poor white trash of Asia is now a distinct possibility.
There will be more anti-business red and green tape, more industrial changes designed to reduce work effort and the profit share, more effort to appease China and a great deal more government spending on programs that play to cultural differences instead of cultural unity. School curriculums will no doubt need revision to ensure acceptance of Labor’s plan for the future. The rising number of children leaving school unable to read, write or add up is already of great assistance.
Industry super funds, dominated by union officials and former ALP leaders, will seek to exert even greater influence on business investment to ensure consistency with union interests. Which would not matter so much if only unions represented working people.
If, by some remote possibility, Australians knew the country was at a tipping point, they deliberately chose the tip. Becoming the poor white trash of Asia is now a distinct possibility. Australians are clearly very comfortable with government dependency, with little or no interest in who pays for it. The long march of the left through the institutions has finally arrived at its destination. Labor can now argue it is the natural party of government.
Short of a disastrous fall in the Australian dollar and a severe depression, it is hard to see anything changing in the next three years. The slide will continue, but we will be reassured that this can be fixed with more temporary relief measures and investment announcements, which will never result in an additional house, road or cost-effective energy and go back to sleep.
The new Liberal leadership, however bold and brilliant, will not change any of this. In fact, it is likely to be mocked for its efforts if it even starts to tell this story and there are many in its ranks who will argue the party should become more like Labor, but with a leader who has hair and who smiles. Ah yes, those factions will need some work.
“The supine silence of employers, industry groups and investment houses on any of this ... has signalled their acquiescence to the new model.”
It is time for the country’s employers and investors to take the lead. The supine silence of employers, industry groups and investment houses on any of this over the past 30 years has signalled their acquiescence to the new model. They fund university chairs in medical science or metallurgy, but not in economics or political science. What did they expect would happen with a media decreasingly interested in prosperity and more interested in culture wars?
Prime Minister Albanese will see no need to bring the country’s employers and labour movements together to forge a new economic accord for productivity reform. Saturday’s result is enough mandate for him. It is something the owners of capital, to borrow a Marxian concept, must now do for themselves. There needs to be an unrelenting determination to change the story, bring young Australians on a different journey, to demonstrate that national pride is more than winning a cricket match, that there is wealth to be had and a greater fairness in reward for effort. Reliance on the Liberal Party, whose spirit was broken on Saturday night, or their voter base, which is devastated, is no longer an option. Business needs to clean out its leadership, stop apologising for believing in prosperity and do it for itself.
Pru Goward is a former Liberal NSW government minister and sex discrimination commissioner.
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Australia has chosen the Labor way of dependency
If Australians knew the country was at a tipping point, they deliberately chose the tip. Becoming the poor white trash of Asia is now a distinct possibility.
Australia has chosen the Labor way of dependency
If Australians knew the country was at a tipping point, they deliberately chose the tip. Becoming the poor white trash of Asia is now a distinct possibility.
Pru GowardColumnist
May 4, 2025
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By definition, democracies are never wrong. In a compulsory voting system, there can be no doubt that the very decisive election result was intentional. So determined was the electorate to continue the Labor course of the last three years, the opposition leader lost his seat.
No doubt there will be millions of words and hours of effort devoted by the Coalition to working out what went wrong. Many others will critique their performance, their lack of policy effort and their apparent lack of hunger, but what is obvious is that Australia has chosen the Labor way.
If Australians knew the country was at a tipping point, they deliberately chose the tip. Alex Ellinghausen
It cannot have been because the electorate preferred one set of cost-of-living bribes against another; these were much of a muchness and if households really had done their own accounts, I suspect the result would have been more mixed and less decisive.
It cannot have been because the electorate feared the Coalition’s radicalism, because there was none, unless you count the nuclear power proposal, which they failed to explain.
It cannot have been because the electorate considered that the country was at a security and economic tipping point and chose to remain with the party that was demonstrably able to manage the future better. Rather, the government denied the existence of such a tipping point and the only crisis either party was prepared to acknowledge was the cost of living. Yes, the cost of living was an issue, but nowhere near the social and economic crisis of the Great Depression, which was an issue for the one-term Scullin government.
Advertisement
There can be no business, economic or security analyst in the country who will not appreciate the disaster now likely to unfold under an emboldened Labor government.
Becoming the poor white trash of Asia is now a distinct possibility.
There will be more anti-business red and green tape, more industrial changes designed to reduce work effort and the profit share, more effort to appease China and a great deal more government spending on programs that play to cultural differences instead of cultural unity. School curriculums will no doubt need revision to ensure acceptance of Labor’s plan for the future. The rising number of children leaving school unable to read, write or add up is already of great assistance.
Industry super funds, dominated by union officials and former ALP leaders, will seek to exert even greater influence on business investment to ensure consistency with union interests. Which would not matter so much if only unions represented working people.
If, by some remote possibility, Australians knew the country was at a tipping point, they deliberately chose the tip. Becoming the poor white trash of Asia is now a distinct possibility. Australians are clearly very comfortable with government dependency, with little or no interest in who pays for it. The long march of the left through the institutions has finally arrived at its destination. Labor can now argue it is the natural party of government.
Short of a disastrous fall in the Australian dollar and a severe depression, it is hard to see anything changing in the next three years. The slide will continue, but we will be reassured that this can be fixed with more temporary relief measures and investment announcements, which will never result in an additional house, road or cost-effective energy and go back to sleep.
The new Liberal leadership, however bold and brilliant, will not change any of this. In fact, it is likely to be mocked for its efforts if it even starts to tell this story and there are many in its ranks who will argue the party should become more like Labor, but with a leader who has hair and who smiles. Ah yes, those factions will need some work.
“The supine silence of employers, industry groups and investment houses on any of this ... has signalled their acquiescence to the new model.”
It is time for the country’s employers and investors to take the lead. The supine silence of employers, industry groups and investment houses on any of this over the past 30 years has signalled their acquiescence to the new model. They fund university chairs in medical science or metallurgy, but not in economics or political science. What did they expect would happen with a media decreasingly interested in prosperity and more interested in culture wars?
Prime Minister Albanese will see no need to bring the country’s employers and labour movements together to forge a new economic accord for productivity reform. Saturday’s result is enough mandate for him. It is something the owners of capital, to borrow a Marxian concept, must now do for themselves. There needs to be an unrelenting determination to change the story, bring young Australians on a different journey, to demonstrate that national pride is more than winning a cricket match, that there is wealth to be had and a greater fairness in reward for effort. Reliance on the Liberal Party, whose spirit was broken on Saturday night, or their voter base, which is devastated, is no longer an option. Business needs to clean out its leadership, stop apologising for believing in prosperity and do it for itself.
Pru Goward is a former Liberal NSW government minister and sex discrimination commissioner.
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Yes, well it's hardly an unbiased opinion is it?
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that is what I said: first line of post: "an AFR opinion, from a LNP writer so biaised"
but as good as any ABC view on any left issue
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There is one thing for sure, the next three years will be exciting, Labor have been given open slather.that is what I said: first line of post: "an AFR opinion, from a LNP writer so biaised"
but as good as any ABC view on any left issue
Now we just have to see, if they can control themselves from the propensity to brain farts and work out how to move forward.
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Well I agree that they can get rid of some red tape for business like the DEI nonsense. If they want to apply that for the public service, ok, but businesses should be able to make their own decisions.that is what I said: first line of post: "an AFR opinion, from a LNP writer so biaised"
but as good as any ABC view on any left issue
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This is what Labour is saying about their agenda for Australian given such a strong mandate.
Looks good to me. Let's see how they go over 3-5 years.
Chalmers said Labor had an “ambitious” agenda to implement but tempered expectations for further bolder reforms by cautioning that the government would not control the Senate.
“We have a big agenda,” he said. “We’re looking forward to implementing it with confidence, with the confidence that comes from a big majority, a substantial majority.
“We have to build more homes. We’ve got to get this energy transformation right. We’ve got to do more to embrace technology, particularly the AI opportunity. There’s a huge agenda there for us.”
Chalmers said he had received a briefing from the Treasury secretary, Steven Kennedy, at 6.45am and pointed to boosting productivity in the economy as the major objective of his next few years.
“The first term was primarily inflation without forgetting productivity,” he said. “The second term will be primarily productivity without forgetting inflation … And a much broader sense of [productivity].
“Human capital. Competition policy. Technology. Energy. The care economy. These are where we’re going to find the productivity gains – and not quickly, but over the medium term.”
www.theguardian.com
Looks good to me. Let's see how they go over 3-5 years.
Chalmers said Labor had an “ambitious” agenda to implement but tempered expectations for further bolder reforms by cautioning that the government would not control the Senate.
“We have a big agenda,” he said. “We’re looking forward to implementing it with confidence, with the confidence that comes from a big majority, a substantial majority.
“We have to build more homes. We’ve got to get this energy transformation right. We’ve got to do more to embrace technology, particularly the AI opportunity. There’s a huge agenda there for us.”
Chalmers said he had received a briefing from the Treasury secretary, Steven Kennedy, at 6.45am and pointed to boosting productivity in the economy as the major objective of his next few years.
“The first term was primarily inflation without forgetting productivity,” he said. “The second term will be primarily productivity without forgetting inflation … And a much broader sense of [productivity].
“Human capital. Competition policy. Technology. Energy. The care economy. These are where we’re going to find the productivity gains – and not quickly, but over the medium term.”
Australian PM shrugs off questions about Donald Trump as other world leaders congratulate him
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Another view on how the Labour government can make the changes necessary to improve the lot of all people.
Arthur Sinodinos (ex Liberal) also has advice for the Libs. Interestingly enough both views have much in common.
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Arthur Sinodinos (ex Liberal) also has advice for the Libs. Interestingly enough both views have much in common.
Australians have soundly rejected Trump-style culture wars. Now Albanese must act with courage and vision | Julianne Schultz
We can no longer rely on the rest of the world to provide the lead – the future is ours to make
Grievance politics not enough — an opposition must have a clear and coherent plan to win government | Arthur Sinodinos
The scale of Labor’s victory highlights structural problems within the Liberals that have been papered over for years
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Why Dutton lost. Sky.
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Arthur Sinodinos has always impressed me when I've heard him speak and he made sense when he talked about identity politics.Another view on how the Labour government can make the changes necessary to improve the lot of all people.
Arthur Sinodinos (ex Liberal) also has advice for the Libs. Interestingly enough both views have much in common.
Australians have soundly rejected Trump-style culture wars. Now Albanese must act with courage and vision | Julianne Schultz
We can no longer rely on the rest of the world to provide the lead – the future is ours to make
Grievance politics not enough — an opposition must have a clear and coherent plan to win government | Arthur Sinodinos
The scale of Labor’s victory highlights structural problems within the Liberals that have been papered over for years
It's rife in the Labor party unfortunately, but I suppose we have to put up with it until they come to their senses.
I hope they have learned from the Fatima Payman fiasco.
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Just watch the show, plan your exit, this morning, my better half mentioned thus morning (after relative left back to France on Friday)
"And now we can start preparing Panama ..."
So ALP victory can be a good thing for the frog:
Increase real estate value of an off grid blackout and famine proof self sufficient house
Crash the AUD in mid term
And give the wife the nod to piss off O/S asap.
As most voters and quite a few here do vote for a few $ during the FY and could not care less about their country or children future, why, as a migrant, should i be the one sacrificed for vertue and this country
Enjoy the show
"And now we can start preparing Panama ..."
So ALP victory can be a good thing for the frog:
Increase real estate value of an off grid blackout and famine proof self sufficient house
Crash the AUD in mid term
And give the wife the nod to piss off O/S asap.
As most voters and quite a few here do vote for a few $ during the FY and could not care less about their country or children future, why, as a migrant, should i be the one sacrificed for vertue and this country
Enjoy the show
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Not quite. They still have the loony Greens in the Senate to deal with.There is one thing for sure, the next three years will be exciting, Labor have been given open slather.
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If there's one thing I think we need to get away from in Australian society in general (not just politics), it's seeing tertiary education as a measure of intelligence.
I've met some absolutely useless people (and that's being very polite) with a degree in something, even serious fields including engineering, and likewise I've encountered brilliant individuals who for whatever reason never set foot on the grounds of any university or even TAFE.
If someone wants to be a medical doctor, lawyer, engineer, architect or whatever well then yes, you need the appropriate university education to go with that. That's all it is though, it's education, it's not proof of knowing about anything other than what's covered by that education.
It's a huge mistake to assume others think the same way you do and that's a particular risk among well educated people. Those with little education usually realise that others have different knowledge, different thought processes and different goals. It's the well educated who seem prone to falling into the trap of assuming everyone shares their thought processes, goals and aspirations and that if they don't it must be due to a lack of education, failing to realise even those well educated in a different subject will strongly disagree.
In practical application that goes wrong both politically and with government itself. Politically the Left and Right are both prone to becoming out of touch with the mainstream, wrongly assuming everyone shares their view of the world. In government it fails when people too far removed from a particular subject are given authority over it, that they'll make poor decisions is pretty much a certainty.
Both sides of politics in my view would benefit greatly from greater diversity of experience outside politics. That is to have more people whose background isn't the over represented professions of law or union officials or "like" occupations and whose economic experience is practical not just theoretical.
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After the hammering the Greens have had, they will pull their heads in, it not as though they had a positive swing to re enforce their stance on issues.Not quite. They still have the loony Greens in the Senate to deal with.
