Australian Federal Election 2025

[farmerge]

I absolutely disagree. They lost because they pandered to the left and had no vision. There was nothing right wing about the Libs at all.

Accordingly, I do agree they have become irrelevant. There is zero point in having two Labor parties.

Well one thing is super definite, there aint much of an Opposition for awhile.

 

[sptrawler]

Well, companies and farmers are some of the first in line for handouts when things go wrong for them.

But yeah, NDIS should be looked at and all "welfare" means tested.

Including ALL assets .

 

[basilio]

Reviewing the election result

Arthur Sinodinos says Coalition campaign looked 'ad hoc' and 'reactive'​

By Joshua Boscaini​

Former Liberal minister Arthur Sinodinos says the Liberal Party has a structural issue and needs to change.
Sinodinos tells ABC Radio National Breakfast that increasing female representation is important for the party going forward, and that culture wars will not win the Coalition government.

"This is not about wokeness or political correctness; it's about, when we look in the mirror, do we represent the community we aspire to represent? And that is the challenge going forward," he says.
"We looked as if were doing this in an ad hoc and reactive way. The grievance politics was not enough. We had to have our own coherent plan and we didn't."

He says the nature of Australia's compulsory, preferential voting means the Liberal Party needs to pitch its message to a "broad tent".

"You have to go to people where they are rather than shove your own ideology down their neck," he says.

 

[farmerge]

Including ALL assets .

Th rorting that has been going on the NDIS is out of control.
It is about time that a serous investigation into how the funds are distributed and not into the pockets of the grubby so-called carers that we hear about so often.
Means testing in a fair way should also be implemented.

 

[basilio]

A view from Bridget McKenzie on why the Libs were destroyed in the election

ICYMI: Bridget McKenzie admits Coalition campaign failures on Q+A​

By Jason Whittaker​

There was a frank assessment of the Coalition's election campaign on the ABC's Q+A last night, with Nationals Senate leader Bridget McKenzie admitting the party's scuttled return-to-work plan was a vote loser.

"If I'm really honest, the work from home policy really made them turn off," she says.
"Women … were interested in what the Coalition had to say about addressing cost of living, and unfortunately that particular policy made them think that we weren't interested in flexibility in workplaces."

McKenzie says the Coalition was losing younger voters due to a poor communications strategy too focused on traditional media, even praising her political rivals.

"I think the Greens have cottoned on to how they communicate with women a lot better. The Labor Party has adopted a different way of communicating. And we need to do the same," McKenzie says.

 

[basilio]

Th rorting that has been going on the NDIS is out of control.
It is about time that a serous investigation into how the funds are distributed and not into the pockets of the grubby so-called carers that we hear about so often.
Means testing in a fair way should also be implemented.

The NDIS is a great idea and invaluable for many people. But it is being abused by the industry in a big way. Just the direct experiences I have with people I know highlights how badly it has been rorted.

One of the important elements is that NDIS manages to pay all carers the absolute top rate. That ends up dominating the whole care industry and effectively diverting staff and funding to NDIS receipients -- but far more significantly the people managing clients packages.

 

[farmerge]

The NDIS is a great idea and invaluable for many people. But it is being abused by the industry in a big way. Just the direct experiences I have with people I know highlights how badly it has been rorted.

One of the important elements is that NDIS manages to pay all carers the absolute top rate. That ends up dominating the whole care industry and effectively diverting staff and funding to NDIS receipients -- but far more significantly the people managing clients packages.

I think that the NDIS is great, but better management of the money is most definitely needed and in some cases means tested.
I am sick and tired of seeing some scum bag so called carer rorting the recipients and us as tax payers of mega amounts of money, living in mansions and driving around in top of the range cars all at the expense of those they are suppossed to be looking out for.

 

[IFocus]

Can't you see that the Libs lost because they moved too far right?

While the below is not completely true its pretty close while just saying no to everything (Abbott style / US Republican) while having no alternative thankfully hasn't flown.

What are the LNP values sure as hell isn't left.

 

[SirRumpole]

The NDIS should only be for those who are so profoundly disabled that they will not be able to do any useful work for their entire lives.

That means profoundly autistic or Downs syndrome people.

People with a bad back who can do some desk work shouldn't be able to access it, there are other benefits for that.

 

[qldfrog]

Well, companies and farmers are some of the first in line for handouts when things go wrong for them.

But yeah, NDIS should be looked at and all "wefare" means tested.

I value your input but it is a much deeper and fundamental issue
Very insidious and did not start this week
More or less the "do not ask what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country"
I keep banging about what happened in Western Europe, i was saying it 30y ago and the reason i moved here.
Fight and jail, or emigrate...
Everything which was so obviously coming came, plus worse..
And so much faster, less than 20y to annihilate Sweden and Germany from a western paradise of wellbeing, safety and rights to dictatorian rule, poverty,destruction of law and order.
Not even mentioning France, Belgium or the UK which i do not consider as first world/developed countries anymore.
All this brought by the WEF clique of uber rotten capitalism/nepotism behind a socialist veil/presence.
The fruit of decades of brainwashing but also of selfishness of individuals, always voting for the me me me but pretending to care for the next generation/ planet as keyboard warriors.
I hope a country will surface as a haven of freedom but before that, the crisis between China and the western dictatorship sphere will be intense, maybe even hot conflicts.
And we are not located well for that.
Save yourself and your children if you can.
A decade is a long enough time to plan and get out ..not yet too late.

 

[sptrawler]

Get out to where @qldfrog , the EU is a basket case, the U.K is a basket case, the U.S and Canada are basket cases, SE Asia is becoming more and more difficult to emigrate to.
So where is better? At least here the climate is good, well over here in the West it is.

 

[wayneL]

At least here the climate is good, well over here in the West it is.

It's gorgeous at the moment, but our summer is in serious competition with Hades itself

 

[wayneL]

While the below is not completely true its pretty close while just saying no to everything (Abbott style / US Republican) while having no alternative thankfully hasn't flown.

What are the LNP values sure as hell isn't left.

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This is obviously a Liberal party parrot...

 

[qldfrog]

Get out to where @qldfrog , the EU is a basket case, the U.K is a basket case, the U.S and Canada are basket cases, SE Asia is becoming more and more difficult to emigrate to.
So where is better? At least here the climate is good, well over here in the West it is.

Stateless

 

[sptrawler]

Stateless

What? Are you're going to make your off grid place, Hutt River Province Mk2 ?

Well there is one upside, the last one was started by Prince Leonard, yours could be headed by the Frog Prince.
It has a ring to it, even though it sounds a bit Grimm, what do you reckon .

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[qldfrog]

I move that discussion to expatriation thread

Leaving Australia (again)

Leaving Australia (again)

So, missus recorded the second coming of the gracious and noble God Emperor from last night. Having partially grown up in 'Murica, I know the lyrics to The Battle Hymn of the Republic off by heart and started singing along in my best baritone. It made her cry... at the end she says, "Get rich...

www.aussiestockforums.com

 

[Logique2]

Without reading much of the preceding content in the thread:

- not a great 2025 campaign by the Libs.

- this election was won years ago, by the activist teachers in our schools, brainwashing our kids about the weather. But sadly, it's our kids and grandkids who will be the ones paying off the burgeoning national debt, well into the foreseeable future.. Because 'renewable' energy is expensive.

- Housing affordability - understand that pollies of all sides are your landlords. So you can't expect relief, young ones. You'll be renters forever.

 

[JohnDe]

A lot of 1sts in this election, including a leader of a political party losing their seat - Dutton. But that is not all, we may see two leaders lose their seat - Bandt. History in the making right in front of us.

Greens leader Adam Bandt has dropped below 41 per cent of the primary vote in his seat of Melbourne in the latest count update, leaving him on the brink of joining Liberal leader Peter Dutton in being kicked out of parliament.​

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Mr Bandt has held Melbourne for 15 years, almost winning the seat with 50 per cent of the primary vote two elections ago, in 2019.​

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A swing of 3.7 per cent away from Mr Bandt and a 5.8 per cent swing to Labor candidate Sarah Witty has left the Greens in danger of losing their leader.​

The AEC has 6299 postal vote envelopes still to count.​

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[wayneL]

It looks as though Zoe Daniels has been pinged by Tim Wilson after having had claimed victory (ouch). Fewer Teals is never not a bad thing. Kooyong can still go either way too, Monique Ryan no certainty to be re-elected.

Also something I never thought I'd do, cheering on the Labor candidate in Melbourne, in front ATM. You go girl!

 

[SirRumpole]

It looks as though Zoe Daniels has been pinged by Tim Wilson after having had claimed victory (ouch). Fewer Teals is never not a bad thing. Kooyong can still go either way too, Monique Ryan no certainty to be re-elected.

Also something I never thought I'd do, cheering on the Labor candidate in Melbourne, in front ATM. You go girl!

So if Bandt loses and there are no Greens in the House, who becomes Greens leader?

SHY?