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Australian Defence Discussion

The future of warfare is drones. Especially for our pimply teenagers that play too much COD,Fortnite,rainbow six siege.
Their reaction time alone could win us wars.

They would probably die with exposure to sunlight if they had to fight in the real world.
 
 
Yes, using chemical energy, e.g. fuel cells would inherently be quieter than any nuclear engine.
I was amazed to see that in your post Sir Rumpole that India and Portugal do just that and China are developing the technology.
I doubt the Portuguese one though as there was no link and I find it hard to imagine them ahead in a technology like this.
 
From your post, they sound ideal for places where range and size isn't an issue.
Providing the long range, long duration coastal protection Australia would require, doesn't look like their forte.
These subs would be competing against the unmanned drone subs IMO


While nuclear-powered designs still dominate in submergence times, speed, range, and deep-ocean performance, small, high-tech non-nuclear attack submarines can be highly effective in coastal operations and pose a significant threat to less-stealthy and less-maneuverable nuclear submarines.[3]

AIP is usually implemented as an auxiliary source, with the traditional diesel engine handling surface propulsion. Most such systems generate electricity, which in turn drives an electric motor for propulsion or recharges the boat's batteries. The submarine's electrical system is also used for providing "hotel services"—ventilation, lighting, heating etc.—although this consumes a small amount of power
compared to that required for propulsion.
 
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Well dream on.

With increasing tension in the South China Sea and also in Europe, the priorities for both the US and UK are going to be their own fleets.

Highly unlikely we will ever get nukes, we maybe just another US naval base with no sovereign capability of our own.

Id like a Rolls Royce but I have to settle for a Hyundai. LOL.
 
The disadvantage with diesel subs, other than being fossil fueled is, they are noisy,
people keep saying this, but
1 . an Aussie sub penetrated Cam Ranh Bay in (unified) Vietnam and pinned the tail on a Russian sub donkey ... late 1990s
2. an Aussie sub entered Pearl Harbour and tagged a US Navy ship

Both times, they entered and departed undetected.
 

Was going to mention the same also a couple of times during combined exercises with the US.
I have seen arguments that the diesel submarines are best in the coastal regions which is the requirement for Australia.
Then there is the argument that offence onshore is a better option.
To me nuclear submarines without nuclear weapons is pointless.
 
All good points, I guess the powers that be will decide, if anyone would be prepared to can the nuke idea Albo would.
So as usual time will tell.
 
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