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Abbott's counter terrorism measures

It's a bit difficult to provide examples of abuse of a system that has not been implemented yet, but the following details what corrupt police are willing to do with information already existing in supposedly confidential databases:-
Aren't we already well and truly aware of the level of corruption in Victoria police?
One would assume the culprits have been appropriately dealt with. I don't have much sympathy for the thugs in the outlaw motor cycle gangs, and don't see any relationship between this incident and my need to feel fearful if my ISP holds data as the government wishes them to do.

I would also note that the adult guardian case you quoted does not affect you or me personally
I don't expect Mary ever thought she would be affected either. Neither do you have any right to assume anything about anyone's personal circumstances.

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yet you are upset by it, justifiably. If we have to wait until we are personally affected by something that the government does, then it's too late. They have the power and it's been used against us.
I don't know how many times I have made clear that I do not feel threatened by what the government wants to do here, just as I have made it clear I respect your right to believe your personal freedom is at stake, even though you can't give me an example of what you believe could happen to me.
Please stop telling me what I should think, believe or feel, Rumpole. I'm quite capable of deciding for myself, thanks.
 

OK, so someone who did not feel threatened by a quasi government agency she never knew existed suddenly found herself threatened by one. That's the point, you never feel threatened until something happens to you or someone you know.

As to how your information could be used against you (maybe not you personally but anyone in the general population, because these proposals are not just about you), the possibilities are endless.

Man wants to spy on his wife, has a friend in the police force who gets details of who the wife has been emailing, maybe that she has been on "men for hire" web sites, etc etc.

Political parties want dirt on their opponents, again through corrupt police get access to details of web and email metadata, employers want details on their employees social media activities- are the employees bitching about the boss after hours ?, a policeman takes a liking to a young girl he met and gets access to her likes, dislikes, friends, boyfriends (potential competition who he proceeds to frighten off)...

Just because some of us don't have any imagination, doesn't mean the crooks don't. The fact that warrants are not required to access this data is an open gate for any corrupt cop to dive in and get what they want.

Please stop telling me what I should think, believe or feel, Rumpole. I'm quite capable of deciding for myself, thanks.

Not trying to do that at all. If you want to live in a nice sheltered world unaware of the dangers, go right ahead, but you are not the only person in this country and a lot of us don't like being spied on for no good reason.

I heard a report on TV today where the head of ASIO said that terrorist plots have been foiled by access to metadata. This indicates that they already have enough powers to do their job and they don't need any more.
 

If you keep your nose clean and don't mess up, you don't have to worry about ASIO of the AFP.
 
Poor ole Rumpy;

What'cha gonna do when they come for you?

 
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If you keep your nose clean and don't mess up, you don't have to worry about ASIO of the AFP.

How naively trusting of you. A lot of people don't break the law but have things they would rather not be made public.

Also it's not only the law we have to worry about, presumably employees of the ISP would have access to the data and can we guarantee all of them are incorruptible ?
 
As Geordie right points out here: http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...want-my-metadata-george-brandis-get-a-warrant

My point exactly, if the security agencies need to act further, get a warrant not give them free, unfetted rein.


Hear, hear!
 
I don't have much sympathy for the thugs in the outlaw motor cycle gangs,

Neither do I , but some of the information was stolen by corrupt cops working FOR the bikie gangs and contained details of informers etc.

Just shows the lengths to which some of our agencies have been infiltrated by crims. We don't know whether the AFP and ASIO have been similarly affected.
 

Labor is softer on travelers in Jihadist areas because they fear the loss of votes......Labor is not concerned about the security of Australia and the threat of terrorists.......only about their self preservation.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ihadist_areas_than_it_was_on_bosses_back_hom/
 
Just use a VPN.



Still paranoid, use a VPN not located in Australia.


 
Just use a VPN.

Still paranoid, use a VPN not located in Australia.

No need to be paranoid. Anyone accessing the internet outside their home should have a VPN provider. It's roughly 40 USD a year for the peace of mind it brings. Free public wifi can as often be a way to tempt people to allow someone to monitor all their traffic in the hopes of getting some personal information or even access onto your device if it's securty is not up to scratch - even then it might still get infected.

As I said earlier, the Government is looking to bring in legislation to force you to hand over VPN encryption keys. Hopefully this will get more air time if they become serious about it.
 
OK, so someone who did not feel threatened by a quasi government agency she never knew existed suddenly found herself threatened by one.
She could have precluded such a situation simply by previously recognising the need to appoint someone with Enduring Power of Attorney.

She could further have avoided being slugged with a potent antipsychotic drug by completing an Advance Health Directive, a legally binding document, making clear that she refused any such drug, giving the person with EPOA a legal basis on which to advocate on her behalf.
 

Both of these suggestions are good to know, and would slip by a lot of people.

Googling for "Advance Health Directive" seems to indicate that they vary from State to State. I suppose the solicitor who makes out a EPOA would know the details.
 
Just use a VPN.




Still paranoid, use a VPN not located in Australia.


The use of TOR has been mentioned elsewhere: https://www.torproject.org but a caveat, even TOR hasn't been excempt from cyber attack. Any guess as to whom and why?
Hint, Naughty Spy Agencies...

From here: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/tor-security-advisory-relay-early-traffic-confirmation-attack

In part reads;


Privacy and corruption aside, data is power and power is money. Anyone know what the price of a legit email address is on the black market or legit credit card details including number, expiry, name and security code?

A vast array of personal details already attracts a price within this black market. Why even the s/ware designed to steal your details, Trojans, key loggers for example, can be bought too. The honey pot of data that our security agencies want is only going to attract the best hackers coz there is money, and lots of it to be had.

Think we'll be safe? Am I taking this too far?
Perhaps but I've lived too long to ignore the foibles and failings of human nature especially when it comes to fear and greed.
 
Both of these suggestions are good to know, and would slip by a lot of people.

Googling for "Advance Health Directive" seems to indicate that they vary from State to State. I suppose the solicitor who makes out a EPOA would know the details.
The Advance Health Directive is known as a Living Will in some States, probably different names in most states.
AHD is the Qld version.
You do not need a solicitor. Go to the State Justice Department website. At least in Qld and presumably it will be similar elsewhere, there will be a choice which will include both Enduring Power of Attorney and AHD or its equivalent. Simply download the forms and complete. Make sure you use the Enduring POA, not the basic POA form which not appropriate. The AHD needs to be completed in conjunction with your doctor who attests to your capacity to make the decisions therein. Both documents need to be properly witnessed by a JP, solicitor or equivalent.
Imo everyone should have these documents.

I believe, also at least in Qld, you can buy the forms from a newsagent.
 

Good advice Julia, thank you.
 

My bolds and absolutely agree 100% Julia.
I too highly recommend having one in place as it takes a lot of pressure off the family (and/or friends) should the worst occur.

In NSW its called Enduring Guardianship, http://www.publicguardian.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/publicguardian/pg_planning/pg_enduring.html

I was Enduring Guardian for my dearly departed and for my Dad, still am for my Mom.

Amongst other directives, should I become brain dead I don't want to be kept on life support so, the kids, jointly, are my Enduring Guardians. Set up via our lawyers.
 
If Abbott expects the "moderate" Australian Muslims to protest against this shocking behaviour in Syria and Iraq then he is away with the fairies. Callous brutality and disregard for human life is inbred in them.

"That's my boy'' says proud dad.


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That is so sad and very disturbing to see children brain washed like that Calliope. As you say, inbred into them. No amount of data storing will break that cycle.
 
If Abbott expects the "moderate" Australian Muslims to protest against this shocking behaviour in Syria and Iraq then he is away with the fairies. Callous brutality and disregard for human life is inbred in them.

"That's my boy'' says proud dad.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...Ld8AWa1IKQDA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1203&bih=749

Plenty of fair skinned blue eyed kids in there.

In no way justifying what's going on, but just highlighting that this issue is fairly wide spread.

Just have to look at the ideas in some of the militias in the USA - they'd be more upset about it being about being Muslims than about the children per se.
 
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