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notting said:
Peoplegive themselves away in odd moments especially when stakes are high. Like when Trump talked about the Syrian babies being gassed, he cradled his arms and exclaimed 'babies' that was very real and shows he cares and isn't a psychopath.
Also when Trump is sitting in some of his cabinet meetings he sits in a body language posture of 'self nurture' - he's 'hugging himself.'
Trump is in a lot of emotional pain. A LOT!!!

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I've pondered your post most of the Weekend. I wanted you to post a vid of the "arm craddle" while saying "babies" but the vid you posted doesn't show it. Even if it did, some people are experts at deceiving and manipulating, especially during a scripted speech like the one you describe. Look at Trump's ability to constantly lie without conscience, again and again. The line up of people prepared to speak out about his unethical and criminal activities in Business, even though Trump sues or threatens to at the drop of a hat. The Art of the Deal, the book Trump claims he wrote yet the co-author now admits Trump wrote nothing. The list is huge.
 
Darc Knight said:
FBI documents show Trump campaign aide Carter Page was 'collaborating' with Russia

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-...carter-page-collaborated-with-russia/10023146
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It may seem like hairsplitting, but the article isn't quite saying that.

The documents released said "the FBI believes that the Russian Government's efforts are being coordinated with Page and perhaps other individuals associated with" Mr Trump's campaign.
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(My bolds.)

There exists a significant distinction between "believe" and "show".
 
Darc Knight said:
FBI documents show Trump campaign aide Carter Page was 'collaborating' with Russia

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-...carter-page-collaborated-with-russia/10023146
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  • The documents show that in 2016 the FBI believed Mr Page was 'conspiring' with Russia
  • Democrat head Nancy Pelosi said the documents provide clear evidence of Russian coordination with a high-ranking Trump campaign official

Anyone have a link to the documents. "Believed" and "Proof" are poles apart. Just like WMD and Iraq.
Probabilities lean towards something going on.
 
Darc Knight said:
Look at Trump's ability to constantly lie without conscience, again and again.
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If you reckon all politicians aren't exactly the same, you're dreamin'. It's just that Trump is less concerned with covering things up.

To a large extent, politics requires you lie in order to protect you image and ensure your survival. So it attracts people who are willing to do that.
 
Gringotts Bank said:
If you reckon all politicians aren't exactly the same, you're dreamin'. It's just that Trump is less concerned with covering things up.

To a large extent, politics requires you lie in order to protect you image and ensure your survival. So it attracts people who are willing to do that.
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Might want to take that in context of the whole behaviour of Trump, as my post did suggest.
 
Heres more info from a better article then the muck on abc.

ASPEN, Colo. — The Justice Department on Saturday released a previously classified application to wiretap former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, who was under suspicion by the FBI of being a Russian agent.

The government had monitored Page under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and the heavily redacted documents were made public after media organizations sued for their release under the Freedom of Information Act.

The release of the application, along with three subsequent applications to renew the surveillance, was extraordinary and historic. In the four decades that FISA has been in effect, it’s not clear that any application for surveillance has ever been released. Materials related to FISA operations and legal processes are among the most highly classified and closely guarded in the government. The New York Times, USA Today and the James Madison Project all sued for release of the materials.

The publication is also sure to fuel the political fight between Republicans and Democrats over the propriety of the surveillance and how it was legally justified.

Republican lawmakers have accused the Obama administration, which sought the surveillance order in October 2016, of relying on a controversial dossier of then-candidate Donald Trump’s alleged connections to Russia to support the surveillance order. The document, compiled by a former British intelligence officer, was used as political opposition research by Democrats. But the author, Christopher Steele, also shared his findings with the FBI because he was concerned that Trump may have been compromised by Russia.

Members of the House Intelligence Committee have sparred for months over the Page surveillance. Republicans, who previously released some details about the application, had accused the FBI of relying too much on the Steele dossier, which they painted as politically motivated and uncorroborated.

But Democrats countered that the FISA application relied on more information than what Steele provided. And they said Steele had been a reliable source of information to the FBI in the past.

“Even in redacted form, the initial FISA application and three renewals underscore the legitimate concern [the] FBI had about Page’s activities as it was investigating Russia’s interference,” Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said Saturday. But he added, “While I’m pleased that these conspiracy theories are finally being put to rest, the release of these materials during a pending investigation should not have happened,” referring to the ongoing probe of Russian interference in the U.S. elections.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said in a statement Saturday, “Despite President Trump’s repeated claims, these documents provide clear evidence of ‘Russia’s coordination with Carter Page,’ a high-ranking Trump campaign official, ‘to undermine and improperly and illegally influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election.’”

The application shows that the FBI portrayed Steele to the court as a trusted source. The FBI also disclosed that his work was on behalf of a client who was possibly looking for politically damaging information about Trump. Republicans had accused the bureau of failing to notify the court of the dossier’s political origins.

Much of the more than 400 pages of applications is redacted, making it impossible to know all the evidence that the FBI presented to a judge in seeking the wiretap order.

In particular, whole sections in the application detailing the FBI’s justification for believing Page was a Russian agent are blacked out. Some of the unredacted material refers to news articles. But FISA applications typically rely on classified and other sensitive information, according to officials with knowledge of the process.

The application identifies Page by name and says that he engaged in “clandestine intelligence activities” on behalf of Russia and had been the target of Russian government recruitment. The application describes Russia as having interfered in the 2016 presidential election.

Page has denied that he was a Russian agent.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...op-table-main_carterpage-830pm:homepage/story
 
"Vladimir Putin made a bombshell claim during Monday's joint press conference with President Trump in Helsinki, Finland, when the Russian President said some $400 million in illegally earned profits was funneled to the Clinton campaign by associates of American-born British financier Bill Browder - at one time the largest foreign portfolio investors in Russia. The scheme involved members of the U.S. intelligence community, said Putin, who he said "accompanied and guided these transactions."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-agents-funneled-400-million-clinton-campaign

Smells right to me.
 
explod said:
"Vladimir Putin made a bombshell claim during Monday's joint press conference with President Trump in Helsinki, Finland, when the Russian President said some $400 million in illegally earned profits was funneled to the Clinton campaign by associates of American-born British financier Bill Browder - at one time the largest foreign portfolio investors in Russia. The scheme involved members of the U.S. intelligence community, said Putin, who he said "accompanied and guided these transactions."

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-agents-funneled-400-million-clinton-campaign

Smells right to me.
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You don't think Trump and Putin had a ''you scratch my back and I'Il scratch yours" at that press conference?

Would they, or wouldn't they or would they or wouldn't they :p
 
Darc Knight said:
You don't think Trump and Putin had a ''you scratch my back and I'Il scratch yours" at that press conference?

Would they, or wouldn't they or would they or wouldn't they :p
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And what's wrong with any of that.

Shaking hands and doing deals is what makes good business.
 
explod said:
And what's wrong with any of that.

Shaking hands and doing deals is what makes good business.
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Doing deals to say whatever suits. You probably should retract that by saying you meant to say something else :p
 
Source #1 was scratched.
Carter denied any collusion. T
he fbi got the go ahead to tap from very little.
From what I know there are more documents to come and the fbi is making heavily reductions on those. So is it to cover up or protect ongoing investigation?

Do they actually have anything is the million dollar question.
 
Darc Knight said:
"It added Mr Page "has established relationships with Russian Government officials, including Russian intelligence officers."

Go to other websites and it details his numerous meetings.

What about Donald Jnr, eagerly trying to meet up with the Russians for dirt on Hillary Clinton.
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Wouldn't be hard to find substance in the Clinton camp. It's hard to say who are the bigger crooks.

Have you read J Edgar Hoover, by Curt Gentry 1991 Dark Knight
 
Darc Knight said:
"It added Mr Page "has established relationships with Russian Government officials, including Russian intelligence officers."

Go to other websites and it details his numerous meetings.

What about Donald Jnr, eagerly trying to meet up with the Russians for dirt on Hillary Clinton.
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They were both in the energy sector. If it were collusion they would be in prison now.
Meeting dodgy rich Russian that have ties to the government isn't exactly rare in that sector.
 

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