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cynic said:
Would a scientifically inexplicable phenomenon do?
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That is no more attributable to God than to the 'Magic White Dolphin.'
Further just because science cannot explain something, yet, does not establish the 'Mega Amoeba' in the sky who must have done it, nor any other thing you want to invent and say it must be that.

What would be acceptable evidence would be if God appeared and said, 'yep I did it, I created the world too and you are all a result of my demented art,' and did a few more things to prove it irrefutably.
 
notting said:
That is no more attributable to God than to the 'Magic White Dolphin.'
Further just because science cannot explain something, yet, does not establish the Mega Amoeba in the sky or any other thing you want to invent and say it must be that.

What would be acceptable evidence would be if God appeared and said yep I did it, I created the world and you are all a result of my demented art and did few more things to prove it irrefutably.
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Wow!
So you want to invent sky fairies?

Tell me why would the god that I believe in (or any god for that matter) even bother to manifest in the manner you have described? What would be the point of such an exercise?

Surely you can see that you have presented a very lame justification for your stance of disbelief!

Do you think you could maybe use that god given brain of yours to come up with a more intelligent reply?
 
Nothing has been invented. I do not wish to invent a thing, that's your position, your God and anything else you care to imagine are all equally ridiculously untenable.
Never the less you have no way of establishing that anything inexplicable that happens is any more attributable to God, than the 'Magic White Dolphin,' or even the 'omniscient maggot.'
 
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cynic said:
How did our universe come into being? Was it imagined also?
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When did it come into being exactly? Your assuming it started somehow or at some point. You have no valid basis or evidence for such an erroneous presumption, another untenable imagining.
 
SirRumpole said:
It's all around you. Life, the Universe, everything. It didn't all come from nothing.
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That is not evidence establishing the 'Magic White Dolphin' or any other idea or thing to believe in like the 'All Omnipotent Golden Rooster' or 'God.'
 
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notting said:
When did it come into being exactly? Your assuming it started somehow or at some point. You have no valid basis or evidence for such an erroneous presumption, another untenable imagining.
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Please do me the courtesy of not presuming to know what I may or may not have been assuming!
Rather than falsely pretending to know my mind, how about just answering the questions that I posed so that I can understand where you are coming from?

Edit: and please note that I asked "how" not "when"
 
cynic said:
Please do me the courtesy of not presuming to know what I may or may not have been assuming!
Rather than falsely pretending to know my mind, how about just answering the questions that I posed so that I can understand where you are coming from?
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Read it a few times over the answer is clear. There's nothing more for you if you can't understand even that much.....
 
cynic said:
It is evidence of an extroardinary mystery! Namely the mystery of existence!
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Well then we can agree that it is not evidence of God. Evidence of a mystery that is yet to be fully apprehended by many?
Well OK, sure.
Well said!
Keep an open mind keep seeking the truth if you really want that you will find it.
 
notting said:
Well then we can agree that it is not evidence of God. Evidence of a mystery that is yet to be fully apprehended by many? Well OK, sure. Well said.
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If it is evidence of an inexplicable mystery, how can we conclude that it isn't evidence of the existence of an inexplicable creative force? Isn't that what people mean when they talk about god?
 
cynic said:
If the bogey man exists then, yes!
Why take unnecessary risks, VC?

Why are you so determined to assert the non existence of god?

What is it about the god concept, that makes you so determined to refute and ridicule theism and theists alike?

If your system of disbelief is so superior, why the insecurity? Why do you need to be constantly on the attack?
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The fact that it remains unproven.
 
cynic said:
If it is evidence of an inexplicable mystery, how can we conclude that it isn't evidence of the existence of an inexplicable creative force? Isn't that what people mean when they talk about god?
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No we agreed on a mystery that remains for many.
 
cynic said:
Grah33, in your experience have you encountered many people whom insist on all manner of evidence, despite the fact that their demeanour, clearly indicates that no amount of evidence, no matter how compelling, will ever truly satisfy them?

Have you noticed that, in this game which VC is inviting you to play, on his (undisclosed) terms, he hasn't even extended you the courtesy of informing you about the location of the goal posts?

What is to stop him reinventing the rules, i.e. coming up with new excuses every time you successfully hurdle his most recent objections?

How do you ever expect to score any points, in a game that is clearly designed,from the very outset, to ensure that you don't have a prayer of winning?

It's a good thing that you believe in miracles, because that is exactly what it would take, for you to score any points, in a game where the deck has been so heavily stacked against your favour!
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Cynic the fact that I do believe many things that have shown to be true via evidence disproves your claim that I simply wouldn’t believe you no matter what evidence you show.

The simple fact is that if you backed up your claims with sound evidence I wouldn’t have a problem with them, and not would most people.
 
SirRumpole said:
Because no evidence would be good enough for them without them arguing that it's a rare but natural phenomena or some sort of magic trick that they don't know how it's done.
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That’s not true at all

You have to realize though that proving a god would be a server all stage process.

The first stage would be proving the details of the said miracle happened in the first place.

Eg price these discs did regrow.

Since that claim has not been confirmed, how the hell am I supposed to be convinced that 1, that happened and 2, it was a god that did it?

But I believe if there was a god going around interacting in the physical universe, we would be able to have a lot more evidence than the weak claims made.
 
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