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Quote of the day!

Chris Pyne " The Tony Abbott I Know is just last weekend a person who went out with his local fire brigade to do a controlled burn-off and spent Sunday leading a blind person to the end of his marathon"

Guys, Tony is a living Saint - we should just give him the Prime Ministership now! :rolleyes:
 
Knobby22 said:
Quote of the day!

Chris Pyne " The Tony Abbott I Know is just last weekend a person who went out with his local fire brigade to do a controlled burn-off and spent Sunday leading a blind person to the end of his marathon"

Guys, Tony is a living Saint - we should just give him the Prime Ministership now! :rolleyes:
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Be fair now - if its OK to bring up 35 year old bull**** to deride him then surely its OK to bring up yesterdays truth to praise him.
 
McLovin said:
And the Coalition has News Ltd and talkback radio. Media bias is as old as media.

In Sydney, the most widely read paper is the Telegraph and the most listened to radio program is Alan Jones. Hard to make the argument that the Libs aren't getting a fair go.
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the big gripe there is those companies arent funded by tax payer dollars unlike the ABC
 
drsmith said:
Tony Abbott will lead the Coalition to office at the next election. There is no alternative. Joe hockey does not stand for anything (remember his position on Kevin Rudd's ETS when Malcolm Tirnbull was dumped as Liberal leader). As for Malcolm himself, he would be lamb to the slaughter to Julia Jillard and Labor. That's why the left favour him for opposition leader.

How much the Coalition wins by will be determined to some extent by how well they articulate their case for government. It will want to be an improvement on what we have seen to date.
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Much as I would like to agree with you Smithy, I am getting more doubtful every day. David Marr on ABC Radio this morning uttered a truism:

No unpopular Prime Minister has ever been replaced by a more unpopular person.

If Abbott was popular he would be a shoe-in. As it is he is an albatross around the neck on the party, and sadly there appears to be no solution.

AS for "how well they articulate their case for government," I'm afraid they are very inarticulate.
 
Calliope said:
Much as I would like to agree with you Smithy, I am getting more doubtful every day. David Marr on ABC Radio this morning uttered a truism:

No unpopular Prime Minister has ever been replaced by a more unpopular person.

If Abbott was popular he would be a shoe-in. As it is he is an albatross around the neck on the party, and sadly there appears to be no solution.

AS for "how well they articulate their case for government," I'm afraid they are very inarticulate.
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the problem for Labor is that it doesnt matter, Qld and NSW state elections and the current price $1.19 for LNP victory suggest that no amount of federal promise programs will stop it..
 
Knobby22 said:
Quote of the day!

Chris Pyne " The Tony Abbott I Know is just last weekend a person who went out with his local fire brigade to do a controlled burn-off and spent Sunday leading a blind person to the end of his marathon"

Guys, Tony is a living Saint - we should just give him the Prime Ministership now! :rolleyes:
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I'm not sure why you think it's funny/odd/irrelevant to point out that Mr Abbott continues to contribute as a volunteer to the community. I'd like to know how many other politicians do this, especially someone whose working week must already be pretty damn long.

white_goodman said:
werent the 'independents' former nationals and/or at odds with the nationals/barnaby and co?
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Yes. They were never, ever going to form an association with the Coalition. They relished their chance at revenge.


Calliope said:
Much as I would like to agree with you Smithy, I am getting more doubtful every day. David Marr on ABC Radio this morning uttered a truism:

No unpopular Prime Minister has ever been replaced by a more unpopular person.

If Abbott was popular he would be a shoe-in. As it is he is an albatross around the neck on the party, and sadly there appears to be no solution.

AS for "how well they articulate their case for government," I'm afraid they are very inarticulate.
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Reluctantly agree.
 
Julia said:
I'm not sure why you think it's funny/odd/irrelevant to point out that Mr Abbott continues to contribute as a volunteer to the community. I'd like to know how many other politicians do this, especially someone whose working week must already be pretty damn long.
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Call me cynical. Do some work like that when you are unpopular and get your senior ministers to tell everyone. No self interest there. I find it very funny.
 
Calliope said:
Much as I would like to agree with you Smithy, I am getting more doubtful every day. David Marr on ABC Radio this morning uttered a truism:

No unpopular Prime Minister has ever been replaced by a more unpopular person.

If Abbott was popular he would be a shoe-in. As it is he is an albatross around the neck on the party, and sadly there appears to be no solution.

AS for "how well they articulate their case for government," I'm afraid they are very inarticulate.
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I think he can still turn this around but he needs to do less spin doctoring and try to show his true self.
I would sack the spin doctors and tell everyone that this is the "real Tony".

It will then be "real" Tony against "real" Julia.

(How did we end up like this?)
 
And why would Turnbull be more popular than Abbott by conservative voters? Do laborites just want Turnbull because there they can find more mud to throw than they can on Abbott? It must be frustrating for the mud throwers when the best they can find is something they have possibly cooked up when Abbott was a teenager.

It seems one thing labor do well and that is smear campaigns and personal attacks. They seem hopeless at discussing policy.

Before Malcolm starts preaching he needs to have a good look at himself. His own party dumped him as leader in 2009 and from all reports trust and honesty were an issue. Mr Turnbull has also refused to answer a number of questions in relation to a grant he gave when he was Enviroment Minister in the Howard government to his friend Matt Handbury.
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Read more:
Malcolm Turnbull the rain man who speaks with forked tongue./
 
Calliope said:
Much as I would like to agree with you Smithy, I am getting more doubtful every day. David Marr on ABC Radio this morning uttered a truism:

No unpopular Prime Minister has ever been replaced by a more unpopular person.

If Abbott was popular he would be a shoe-in. As it is he is an albatross around the neck on the party, and sadly there appears to be no solution.

AS for "how well they articulate their case for government," I'm afraid they are very inarticulate.
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If David Marr uttered it I'd question its veracity for a start. I think we have plumbed new depths in terms of popularity of leaders, with Gillard being extremely unpopular as well. 2PP is still showing the coalition ahead so Abbotts lack of popularity doesn't concern me that much. Especially as I have heard other comentators state that it's quite normal for an opposition leader to have a low popularity rating.
 
Miss Hale said:
If David Marr uttered it I'd question its veracity for a start. I think we have plumbed new depths in terms of popularity of leaders, with Gillard being extremely unpopular as well. 2PP is still showing the coalition ahead so Abbotts lack of popularity doesn't concern me that much. Especially as I have heard other comentators state that it's quite normal for an opposition leader to have a low popularity rating.
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Since the allegations of Gillard and the AWU slush fund, it seems there has been an increasing push from the left on popularity contests for leaders.

This seems nothing more than an attempt to distract from the real issues of policy. We don't have presidential style elections here and, apart from the leader's own electorates, none of us actually get to vote for a leader directly. I have always voted on which side seems to give the best all round policy, not because of the popularity of a leader.

Why won't labor instead discuss the more important issues of policy? Instead they turn on these nasty character assassinations - and the best they can dig up on abbott is a teenager and a punch that no-one saw. This seems no more than the bully type tactics found in our schools today.

And there are far more serious issues raised on Michael Smith's site than a punch that no-one saw.
http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/
 
I would like to think the electorate is a bit more mature than they are given credit for. I believe Labor are done, everyone other than union organisers are fed up with them.
John Howard was very unpopular prior to being elected, I am sure the press was giving him a beating over his time as treasurer in the Fraser Government.
Collin Barnett was extremely unpopular, prior to being voted in. Lets wait and see what happens in the W.A election, I think that will be a major indicator for Labor.

On a side note, how many on the forum have been involved in a 'news or fairfax' poll regarding the current political parties, leaders etc?
I feel left out because they've never rung me.LOL
 
sails said:
Why won't labor instead discuss the more important issues of policy?
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Well, they have come up with new policy on aged care, national dental plan, NDIS, Gonski-inspired education reforms plus they have belatedly sought 'expert advice' on protecting our borders.
So I don't think they can be accused of not discussing policy, just of apparently having no idea about how they are going to pay for all this wonderful stuff.

sptrawler said:
I would like to think the electorate is a bit more mature than they are given credit for. I believe Labor are done, everyone other than union organisers are fed up with them.
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We'll see. The trend is presently favouring them. Might mean nothing in the face of another stuff up.


On a side note, how many on the forum have been involved in a 'news or fairfax' poll regarding the current political parties, leaders etc?
I feel left out because they've never rung me.LOL
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I've been polled three times, always pre Qld elections but there have been federal questions as well.
It is good to get the opportunity to have one's say.
 
I think the article in this link is by Hedley Thomas (Michael Smith has the same article on his blog and says Hedley is the author). Comment on Bolt's Blog:

This editorial, written on Saturday, has caused a nuclear reaction in the Prime Minister’s office. It seems only Labor’s manure smells sweet.
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From the Australian: If only the walls could talk


And, I have never been been polled. Maybe they use the same people.
 
white_goodman said:
werent the 'independents' former nationals and/or at odds with the nationals/barnaby and co?
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Yes correct but the nats are pretty out there in those regions hence ripe for Liberals / independents the independents are still conservative just not right wing.
 
Calliope said:
Much as I would like to agree with you Smithy, I am getting more doubtful every day. David Marr on ABC Radio this morning uttered a truism:

No unpopular Prime Minister has ever been replaced by a more unpopular person.

If Abbott was popular he would be a shoe-in. As it is he is an albatross around the neck on the party, and sadly there appears to be no solution.

AS for "how well they articulate their case for government," I'm afraid they are very inarticulate.
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Compared to Labor, thay are very politically inarticulate, but then that hasn't mattered, until now.

They is also significant in the context of your point. Replacing TA with either MT or JH isn't the answer for the reasons I mentioned earlier, although MT acting as a team player would help somewhat I feel.
 
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