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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.0%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.5%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 80 40.0%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.0%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.5%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.0%

  • Total voters
    200
Here we are. Your opportunity to build your own electric car. Start off with a complete CATL working drive train and battery chassis.

Could practically drop a VW body on top of it .. Nah.

 
Here we are. Your opportunity to build your own electric car. Start off with a complete CATL working drive train and battery chassis.

Could practically drop a VW body on top of it .. Nah.


not Porsche ?

i suppose not enough seats for a Porsche
 
Not electric car specific, but seemed like a appropriate thread to put the info.


It hasn’t been a smooth ride at Nissan for Ivan Espinosa.
Just over a month into the job, the new chief executive officer has announced another 11,000 job cuts and plans to shut seven factories globally.

The cuts will bring the total headcount loss to about 20,000 as the battered Japanese carmaker fights to keep afloat.

The cuts come on the heels of a catastrophic year for the automaker, with its annual operating profit plunging 88 per cent to just $682 million.

A net loss of 671bn yen (AUD $7.033bn) in the 12 months to March paints a bleak picture for a company that industry insiders predicted in December would have just 12 months to survive.

Nissan also failed to issue its forecast for the year ahead, a telling sign of trouble.
The company plans to shrink its manufacturing footprint from 17 plants to just 10 and reduce parts complexity by 70 per cent.
 
I just had an opportunity to look at a used BYD Ute, looks and drives pretty good. But, and a big but at that, I saw light brown rust colouring running down the white paintwork. Rust already?

I Googled it and found -

While BYD vehicles, including the Ute, have been reported to have some corrosion issues, particularly around attachment points and undercarriage components, it's not universally a widespread problem.
  • Customer Concerns:
    Some owners have expressed concerns about the extent of the corrosion and BYD's response, particularly regarding the visibility of the issue.
  • Counterarguments:
    Some individuals in the automotive industry argue that minor corrosion is common in new vehicles and that the issues being reported are often overblown.
  • BYD's Monitoring:
    BYD has been actively monitoring reports of corrosion in Australasia and may consider making changes to their production process based on the information gathered.
 
I just had an opportunity to look at a used BYD Ute, looks and drives pretty good. But, and a big but at that, I saw light brown rust colouring running down the white paintwork. Rust already?

I Googled it and found -

While BYD vehicles, including the Ute, have been reported to have some corrosion issues, particularly around attachment points and undercarriage components, it's not universally a widespread problem.
  • Customer Concerns:
    Some owners have expressed concerns about the extent of the corrosion and BYD's response, particularly regarding the visibility of the issue.
  • Counterarguments:
    Some individuals in the automotive industry argue that minor corrosion is common in new vehicles and that the issues being reported are often overblown.
  • BYD's Monitoring:
    BYD has been actively monitoring reports of corrosion in Australasia and may consider making changes to their production process based on the information gathered.
saw one last weekend .. fairly new ( less than a week old )

the owner was very happy , only drawback was it was much bigger than the other SUV and a fair bit of trimming back foliage was needed before getting to the destination , but apparently handled the rough terrain without drama
 
The quietness and blue sky of Shanghai left an unforgettable impression. Yes, you read that correctly. You can hear the beat of the city and see the skyscrapers. The scooters have become electric, the buses too, and my best guess is that half of all vehicles were electric or hybrid, although most did look like Tesla cousins.

Who would have thought that a country like China, congested cities and overpopulated, would one day surpass first world countries like Australia and Europe with quiet and clean cities. One thing I hate when I eat out alfresco style is the noise combustion engines racing by, especially the gangster style Mercedes, VW's and Beemers with their race style exhaust.

What cars will we be driving in the future? Just look to Shangh-AI


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In 2018, I visited Shanghai to watch the Power play the Gold Coast Suns. Port won that day.

An amazing city with a population of near 25 million, roughly the same as Australia, and you sense it is a place where east meets west.

I recall the noise of the city. Cars, buses and scooters everywhere – an assault on all the senses.

The other week, I had the opportunity to return to Shanghai to attend Auto Shanghai 2025 – the biggest automotive show in the world.

The quietness and blue sky of Shanghai left an unforgettable impression. Yes, you read that correctly. You can hear the beat of the city and see the skyscrapers. The scooters have become electric, the buses too, and my best guess is that half of all vehicles were electric or hybrid, although most did look like Tesla cousins.

It was a strange feeling. Recent data from the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers shows that new energy vehicles, such as EVs, now make up more than 50 per cent of new vehicle sales.

In Shanghai, so much has changed in such a short time.

It was in stark contrast to the streets of Adelaide, where just 5.4 per cent of new vehicles are fully electric.

Looking further afield, the United Kingdom has 20.4 per cent of the new vehicle sales as fully electric, demonstrating that the rest of the world still has a long road ahead towards full decarbonisation of passenger transport.

Back to the car show.

What I experienced at Auto Shanghai 2025 was nothing short of mind-blowing.

The show is housed across eight two-storey arenas, each the size of the Adelaide Convention Centre. The size and scale of the event were only the beginning. I noticed lots of young people, teenagers and children experiencing the technology in the cars like in an Apple Store.

Of course, I expected to see electric vehicles and hybrids, and there were plenty on show with names I dare not try to pronounce.

Xpeng, Ora, BYD, Xiamoi, Zeekr, Aion, Roewe, Voyah, Wuling and many more.

But it wasn’t the fact that these vehicles had the latest battery technology or that they could drive up to 1500 kms without needing a charge or fuel. It was the integration of artificial intelligence that astounded me.

The dashboard as we know it today will soon be no longer, replaced by screens from the left to the right. Video screens displaying the side mirror view, a driver’s screen, a central screen for all the car connections and a passenger screen for entertainment.

The rear vision mirrors replaced with live video from the rear of the car. In the back, personalised controls on the door for each passenger to adjust air conditioning, seat heating or sound levels for your speaker. One car even had a full cinema screen that drops from the roof lining behind the front seats and a projector, allowing passengers everything from video on demand to video conferencing.

Beyond the screens and dozens of cameras placed all over the car, connectivity is the new frontier being led by Chinese manufacturers.

Think mobility meets connectivity to provide convenience and ultimately another step towards the Internet of Things.

One car I sat in, retailed at $USD35,000 ($AUD55,000), featured all of the aforementioned, but what it really did was connect with your life. Through speech recognition, motorists can order takeaways on the way home, put on the air conditioner at home before arriving home, ask it where a car park spot is nearby and conduct everyday banking through it.

Then there are these pods on the top of the car, just above the front windscreen. Remember the London Taxi sign? In concert with the dozens of other cameras around the vehicle, we are seeing the start of the next generation of autonomous vehicles.

I returned home from Auto Shanghai 2025 trying to imagine what from the motor show and the streets of Shanghai will arrive in Australia. Auto Shanghai is a looking glass into Australia’s automotive future.

While some of the technology at Auto Shanghai were prototypes, for display purposes only, a lot will trickle down into vehicles Australian consumers will purchase in the coming years.

No doubt our design rules and regulations will come into play.

The current uncertainty of global trade, courtesy of tariffs imposed by the USA and the European Union to protect their local automotive manufacturing industries, will come into play. We don’t build cars here anymore, and as takers of technology, Chinese-built cars will undoubtedly grow their local presence as the federal government chases ambitious targets under the New Vehicle Efficiency Standard.

But one thing I do know is that Aussies love technology, and it is only a matter of time before this AI, electric vehicle and connected motoring future arrives at a driveway near you.
 
The quietness and blue sky of Shanghai left an unforgettable impression. Yes, you read that correctly. You can hear the beat of the city and see the skyscrapers. The scooters have become electric, the buses too, and my best guess is that half of all vehicles were electric or hybrid, although most did look like Tesla cousins.

Who would have thought that a country like China, congested cities and overpopulated, would one day surpass first world countries like Australia and Europe with quiet and clean cities. One thing I hate when I eat out alfresco style is the noise combustion engines racing by, especially the gangster style Mercedes, VW's and Beemers with their race style exhaust.
The wife and I went to Bejing in 2018, what surprised me even back then, was all the small motorbikes like the ones in Bali, Thailand etc, were quiet unlike Bali etc.
They were into electric motor bikes back then. Lol
 
The wife and I went to Bejing in 2018, what surprised me even back then, was all the small motorbikes like the ones in Bali, Thailand etc, were quiet unlike Bali etc.
They were into electric motor bikes back then. Lol
And in Shenzhen, not only motorbikes but taxis and buses were electric, from 2018 as well.
 

Chinese CATL Unveils ‘Salt Battery,’ Shaking Korean Battery Industry​


 

Chinese CATL Unveils ‘Salt Battery,’ Shaking Korean Battery Industry​


Not as energy dense. Low end cars.
 

In short:​

17 million EVs were sold in 2024, representing 20 per cent of all vehicles sold globally.

Australian sales grew by 14 per cent, with plug-in hybrids driving sales.

What's next?​

The International Energy Agency has called for more market diversity to ensure the long-term success of the industry.


The share of electric car sales climbed to 20 per cent of all vehicles sold in 2024, according to a new report by the International Energy Agency.

Sales growth was strongest in China, where 11 million EVs were sold, making up almost half of all Chinese vehicle sales.

South-East Asian and Latin American markets were hot spots for sales increases over 2024, jumping by 50 per cent compared with 2023.

Growth lagged in the European Union and the United States, where sales grew by 20 per cent 10 per cent respectively.

"We know there are economic, trade and technology uncertainties in the world now, and questions about whether sales are going up or down," IEA executive director Faith Birol said.

"Our numbers show that despite many headlines saying EVs were not doing good in terms of sales, our numbers show another record of 17 million EVs, or an increase of 20 per cent compared with the previous year.

"Some emerging countries are seeing strong growth in EV sales, albeit from a low base, especially Vietnam, Thailand, Brazil Indonesia and elsewhere."
Australian sales of battery electric vehicles, plug-in hybrids and fuel cell electric vehicles rose by 14 per cent from 98,000 in 2023 to 112,000 in 2024.

Sales of plug-in hybrid vehicles, which contain a battery and internal combustion engine, saw the strongest increase, rising from 11,000 in 2023 to 21,000 in 2024.
 
Not cars but mining trucks, so posting here or in FMG?
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From China news
To put things in perspective, i used to work with hauling trucks in Australia with around 400t capacity
4 of these trucks for one Komatsu or CAT
The coal face in blackwater mine is 15km long
So in one long hauling trip return, the diesel truck carries as much as 4 of these,and travel for 30 km.. but you can imagine a fleet of small trucks why not.i actually like that approach
But with a 90km range sadly,in 3 trips, the small truck needs to stop and recharge..Nope.maybe in a local gravel pit or quarry, not in our Aussie mines
 
Not cars but mining trucks, so posting here or in FMG?
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From China news
To put things in perspective, i used to work with hauling trucks in Australia with around 400t capacity
4 of these trucks for one Komatsu or CAT
The coal face in blackwater mine is 15km long
So in one long hauling trip return, the diesel truck carries as much as 4 of these,and travel for 30 km.. but you can imagine a fleet of small trucks why not.i actually like that approach
But with a 90km range sadly,in 3 trips, the small truck needs to stop and recharge..Nope.maybe in a local gravel pit or quarry, not in our Aussie mines
i am guessing the Chinese are using the 'ant' strategy ' smaller but many each vehicle break-down ( repair ) is less on an impact on the mining ( as would trucks off-line for recharging )

ALSO China last i heard is still working towards a mostly autonomous base on the Moon , this would be a good research base for expansion there later ( one might assume China will also hope to mine some parts of the Moon and use the Moon as a supply/re-supply hub between Earth and other space colonies ( that will probably come )
 
Not cars but mining trucks, so posting here or in FMG?
Given the previous discussions between using LIDAR as the Chinese are heading, versus infrared and visible spectum cameras that Tesla use, I found the following article interesting.
It seems that Lasers in the guise of LIDAR can do some real damage to cameras if you are not careful.
I wonder what might happen if the Chinese instructed its LADAR systems to sweep an area and ruin any cameras within the vicinity.
Security cameras, Cameras on Vehicles, peoples phones etc would all be affected.
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Mick
 
Given the previous discussions between using LIDAR as the Chinese are heading, versus infrared and visible spectum cameras that Tesla use, I found the following article interesting.
It seems that Lasers in the guise of LIDAR can do some real damage to cameras if you are not careful.
I wonder what might happen if the Chinese instructed its LADAR systems to sweep an area and ruin any cameras within the vicinity.
Security cameras, Cameras on Vehicles, peoples phones etc would all be affected.
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Mick
It's not a case of Chicken Little, the Sky is Falling in, more like the Chinese are taking over the world by any means, stealth etc.
 
Not cars but mining trucks, so posting here or in FMG?
View attachment 199663
From China news
To put things in perspective, i used to work with hauling trucks in Australia with around 400t capacity
4 of these trucks for one Komatsu or CAT
The coal face in blackwater mine is 15km long
So in one long hauling trip return, the diesel truck carries as much as 4 of these,and travel for 30 km.. but you can imagine a fleet of small trucks why not.i actually like that approach
But with a 90km range sadly,in 3 trips, the small truck needs to stop and recharge..Nope.maybe in a local gravel pit or quarry, not in our Aussie mines
Maybe they have 5 minute swap out battery packs, that would make sense a rack of batteries on charge and swap the dead one for a charged one.
 
Maybe they have 5 minute swap out battery packs, that would make sense a rack of batteries on charge and swap the dead one for a charged one.
even if done so, it is a serious issue as hauling is not just A to B, it is hard enough to find a given place to shift workers..Anyway, I am sure plenty of greenies will explain how miners should run their mines
Just to show the huge gap between dream and reality
 
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