Australian Federal Election 2025

[sptrawler]

Remember? Howard government.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/mean-and-tricky-memo-man-backs-real-deal-morrison/news-story/ab0bdf389f50703640a080f6f1072fdf?amp&nk=2c63bb597f24f9acec326418ec4ae6f0-1746877036

Jeezus I can see why you will never vote Liberal again. Lol

I doubt you ever did, if you can remember stuff like that. Lol
You don't have to be embarrased about voting Labor, I did. Lol

In the scheme of things, we aren't that important, don't feel you can't say what you really feel.

 

[Knobby22]

Jeezus I can see why you will never vote Liberal again. Lol

I doubt you ever did, if you can remember stuff like that. Lol
You don't have to be embarrased about voting Labor, I did. Lol

In the scheme of things, we aren't that important, don't feel you can't say what you really feel.

I still voted for them after that. Don't take it personally.
I remember not voting for Howard in that last election. I swing. I voted for Abbot, for Turnbull. I believe in Liberal valus. Just wish they would.

All around the country they are doing badly. More women used to vote Liberal than men. Now officially according to the exit polls the only group that predominantly votes Liberal is men over 60.

The base and most of the pollies are watching Sky and its hurting them.

They assume the voters are dumb.
They are wrong.

 

[sptrawler]

I still voted for them after that. Don't take it personally.

I don't take politics personally, I actually realise that my vote means little, as does my opinion.

I just put forward my thoughts, I try not to influence others, after having 4 kids I have found trying to force my opinion never ends up well.

But I do love challenging others that make statements, I feel are flawed and I hope others do the same to me.

That's what helps us, make better judgements.

 

[Knobby22]

I don't take politics personally, I actually realise that my vote means little, as does my opinion.

I just put forward my thoughts, I try not to influence others, after having 4 kids I have found trying to force my opinion never ends up well.

But I do love challenging others that make statements, I feel are flawed and I hope others do the same to me.

That's what helps us, make better judgements.

I added more to the post.
I am close to some of them.

It is their judgement, not ours that is poor.

 

[sptrawler]

They assume the voters are dumb.
They are wrong

Absolutely, politics in Australia over the last 40 years has been easy money.

Hawke/Keating deregulated the financial system and removed tariffs, that devalued our currency and made our exports cheaper, it still couldn't make our manufactured goods competitive.

But first Japan and then China industrialising made our resources boom and made our standard of living exceptional.

Now there is a shift in the geopolitical scene, how it pans out, will have great bearing on our future IMO.

 

[farmerge]

I don't take politics personally, I actually realise that my vote means little, as does my opinion.

I just put forward my thoughts, I try not to influence others, after having 4 kids I have found trying to force my opinion never ends up well.

But I do love challenging others that make statements, I feel are flawed and I hope others do the same to me.

That's what helps us, make better judgements.

@sptrawler I'm not that aligned to politics that i live and breathe it, but I do take voting very seriously.
Here we have a freedom to vote for whoever takes one's fancy.
In other parts of the world people die for this right.
My youngest son who has a top Uni degree refuses to vote and would rather be fined at every election.
This gets right up my left nostril, but that is the choice he chooses to make.
I guess in time one day I am hoping the penny will drop and he might see that what we have here is worth having.

 

[Knobby22]

Absolutely, politics in Australia over the last 40 years has been easy money.

Hawke/Keating deregulated the financial system and removed tariffs, that devalued our currency and made our exports cheaper, it still couldn't make our manufactured goods competitive.

But first Japan and then China industrialising made our resources boom and made our standard of living exceptional.

Now there is a shift in the geopolitical scene, how it pans out, will have great bearing on our future IMO.

You know the issues and what is important and what we care about.

I reckon we could win them the next election. With some decent plans.

Instead they go on about essentially irrelevant things. We want them to improve the economy. Welcome to country, trans, students,temporary tax breaks, trying to play us thinking we are too dumb to follow a real agenda.

 

[farmerge]

You know the issues and what is important and what we care about.

I reckon I could win them the next election. Instead they go on about essentially irrelevant things. We want them to improve the economy.

@Knobby22 Unfortunately that is not the easy money answer. So much easier to rabbit on about anything and everything but what stands out as the most important is pushed onto the back burner.

 

[farmerge]

@Knobby22 Didn't see your post 527 until after I had voiced my opinion and I might add not as good as yours.

 

[Smurf1976]

But first Japan and then China industrialising made our resources boom and made our standard of living exceptional.

Now there is a shift in the geopolitical scene, how it pans out, will have great bearing on our future IMO.

Suffice to say I really don't see much chance that our economic pillars of iron ore, coal, gas and house price inflation are going to hold up.

Gas has the problem of reserves.

Housing has the problem that the social consequences are devastating, and I suspect it's only a matter of time until we see mass protests. If nothing's done then at some point it becomes this generation's "stop the war" movement.

That leaves coal and iron ore. Or in other words, an entire country propped up by selling the raw materials to produce steel. That seems rather precarious to me.....

 

[Knobby22]

Suffice to say I really don't see much chance that our economic pillars of iron ore, coal, gas and house price inflation are going to hold up.

Gas has the problem of reserves.

Housing has the problem that the social consequences are devastating, and I suspect it's only a matter of time until we see mass protests. If nothing's done then at some point it becomes this generation's "stop the war" movement.

That leaves coal and iron ore. Or in other words, an entire country propped up by selling the raw materials to produce steel. That seems rather precarious to me.....

Need more vision.

 

[SirRumpole]

That leaves coal and iron ore.

How about rare earths? Batteries etc...

 

[farmerge]

Need more vision.

sadly lacking.
The trees are blocking out the forest when vision is needed.

 

[qldfrog]

How about rare earths? Batteries etc...

You always bring a smile to me in these gloomy mornings.
Did you forget the ROL emoticon?

 

[sptrawler]

Need more vision.

No, IMO we politicians that fight for the country, rather than fight each other and we need a media that builds a positive narrative, rather than always pushing a negative one.

 

[SirRumpole]

You always bring a smile to me in these gloomy mornings.
Did you forget the ROL emoticon?

It was a serious question.

We have a lot of the stuff, the challenge is to use it for our benefit not just dig it up and ship it O/S.

 

[farmerge]

No, IMO we politicians that fight for the country, rather than fight each other and we need a media that builds a positive narrative, rather than always pushing a negative one.

Sadly there aren't too many politicians that are forward thinkers, only looking as far ahead to the next election 3 years away.
And much the same with the media, The organisations line is the one that seems to get peddled these days.
Long gone is the independence that was once the norm.
Too many media outlets these days controlled by a select minority.

 

[qldfrog]

Sadly there aren't too many politicians that are forward thinkers, only looking as far ahead to the next election 3 years away.
And much the same with the media, The organisations line is the one that seems to get peddled these days.
Long gone is the independence that was once the norm.
Too many media outlets these days controlled by a select minority.

If public the select minority is true, that is the only explanation but if private, this is market forces: cause or consequences?
Are the masses dumb-ified or is the market providing the dumbs what they ask?
Sport , sex ..but not too much, we are Australian, the latest abo, catho, pedo or ndis scandal with a caricature of Trump or Gina so that public servants on $90k can feel superior to billionaires ?
This is serious ..isn't the media just representative of the overall Australian constituents

 

[SirRumpole]

This is serious ..isn't the media just representative of the overall Australian constituents

You really think so?

The ABC and the Guardian represent the Left, Sky and Murdoch represent the Right, no one represents the Centre, just like politics.

 

[sptrawler]

You really think so?

The ABC and the Guardian represent the Left, Sky and Murdoch represent the Right, no one represents the Centre, just like politics.

And why we end up with such poor outcomes, everything is presented as Left/Right, Black/White, Right/Wrong, Yes/No, nothing is a sensible compromise derived from sensible debate.
It has to end badly on so many fronts IMO.