War threat in Ukraine

[divs4ever]

Should Russia be expelled from the SWIFT banking system?​

Should Russia be expelled from the SWIFT banking system?

Foreign policy expert weighs in on the possibility of Russia being expelled from the SWIFT banking system.

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Russia will have prepared alternative strategies , the concept that Russia has been in the 'naughty boy corner ' for so long it plans contingencies for such reprisals well in advance , has completely been ignored by the arrogant globalists

starting to a big club in the 'naughty boy corner ' does bullying still work if say all the 'naughty boys ' are 25% of the global economy ( and dependent on nobody )

 

[divs4ever]

If Aus gets invaded, I hope it's by all female soldiers

i'll settle for free vodka and tours from Siberian Meat Grinder ( and several other Russian bands ) and REAL mosh pits again

 

[noirua]

What is Swift and what will shutting Russia out of it achieve?

Western allies have agreed that ‘selected Russian banks’ will no longer have access to the international payments system

www.theguardian.com

 

[noirua]

Is Germany indirectly supporting Russia?

Germany is catering to Russia and is a pathetic excuse for a US ally

Germany is blocking aid to Ukraine and supporting Russia’s monopolization of gas over Europe.

nypost.com

The Germans, meanwhile, aren’t willing to make even the slightest gesture toward deterring Russia. They are blocking Estonia, a fellow NATO ally, from sending howitzers to Ukraine that originated in Germany.

Germany has no problem selling weapons all around the world including to the perpetually troubled, Taliban-supporting government in Pakistan and the dictatorship in Egypt.

It is Germany, the laggard of NATO with a deep and growing conflict of interest regarding Russia, that is the weak link — and Putin, unfortunately, knows it.

 

[wayneL]

$199.99....that spiked quickly

What is Swift and what will shutting Russia out of it achieve?

Western allies have agreed that ‘selected Russian banks’ will no longer have access to the international payments system

www.theguardian.com

On

If Aus gets invaded, I hope it's by all female soldiers

Last week I actually got arrested by a female police officer (long story); if female soldiers are anything like that, I will pass on that idea, thanks very much.

 

[noirua]

Japan, Australia, New Zealand impose penalties on Russia following invasion into Ukraine

Japan, Australia and New Zealand announced that they would be imposing penalties against Russia after it invaded Ukraine early Thursday.Japan and Australia, both of which had already anno…

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[againsthegrain]

so putin said it was a peace keeping mission targeting military targets only.... now civilian apartments and houses are getting light up

 

[wayneL]

so putin said it was a peace keeping mission targeting military targets only.... now civilian apartments and houses are getting light up

Mostly peaceful?

 

[Telamelo]

Putin wants to/will take over Ukraine completely & put in another government under his control. Then he'll set up military bases all over Ukraine as a deterrent towards NATO/US.

Sanctions won't work against Russia only minimal impact if anything... Putin met Imran Khan of Pakistan today to sign another gas deal. China has eased trade restrictions with Russia as we speak..

Putin has the very best poker hand at the table so to speak as NATO/US are at a loss as to what they can do next - military action not an option either as Russia & China combined would wipe us all out in 24hrs imo

 

[wayneL]

Russia & China combined would wipe us all out in 24hrs imo

Notwithstanding the woke weakness in the Western military, I doubt that very much.

Not saying we would win, but I think MAD is still a thing

 

[Dona Ferentes]

nice quote:
During Nicholas I's rule, the tsar was described as Genghis Khan with a telegraph
Then Stalin was called Genghis Khan with a telephone
Now, Putin would likely be called Genghis Khan with the internet (and television for the masses)

This one? It struck a chord with me many years ago.
Power is given only to those who dare to lower themselves and pick it up. Only one thing matters, one thing; to be able to dare!

Replying : Especially after exile, Dostoyevsky increasingly thought of human life as an eternal struggle between spiritual and material in his grand themes, with Europe embodying the latter while the ascetic Orthodox and obdurate peasant/ serf claiming the former.

"We possess the genius of all the peoples and also have our own; thus can understand you and you cannot understand us" - Fyodor Mikhailovich to a French author.

Which is complete hubris, and reflected the separation between the Westward looking elites (Catherine the Great; "We are a European nation") to the peasantry and soon-to-be lumpenproletariat.

But this spirituality involved pain and agony:

"The most basic spiritual need of the Russian people is the been for suffering, everywhere and in everything. I think the Russian people have been infused with this need since time immemorial. .... There is always an element of suffering even in the happiness of the Russian people, and without it their happiness is incomplete." - Dostoyevsky

Colin Thubron, traveler, author and Russian speaker, said during a lecture he was giving that he had never met a smiling Russian in the decades of traveling there. The Russians in the audience applauded.

"Narod bezmolvstvuyet"​

 

[MovingAverage]

military action not an option either as Russia & China combined would wipe us all out in 24hrs imo

Yup—and Putin knows this is his upper hand. This is no doubt showing who is the true global super power and it ain’t the US anymore

 

[Smurf1976]

What I meant was that if Russian oil and gas gets blocked from entering the EU for example, two things will happen.

1, Russia will be looking for other markets to off load there Oil and Gas.

2, The EU will be looking for other markets to source Oil and Gas.

At the moment China buys a lot of Gas from Australia and the USA, but people are suggesting that China might instead switch to Using Russian Gas.

What I'm thinking of however is the next move beyond that.

If you've got multiple suppliers tied up under long term contract then you've guaranteed your own physical supply ahead of anyone else, since the resource is off the open market as such, and to the extent you've got a surplus to re-sell you get to set the terms of that sale.

China doesn't buy the crop they buy the farm. They don't buy a ship load of gas they buy the resource still in the ground. Etc. They do it long term.

I'm seeing this whole thing as partly about the glory days of the USSR but also at least partly about natural resources, trading blocs and so on of which China is a very relevant but not the only party. If so well then those not in the bloc who want to buy those resources are going to have some issues, they'll be getting the leftovers only and can't assume the ability to obtain physical supply simply by paying the market price.

That applies to all relevant resources although gas and oil are very obvious examples.

That's thinking ahead, it's not a 2022 thing but I suspect the war's linked to it ultimately.

 

[againsthegrain]

Ukraine is putting up quiet a fight, whole country of 40m is urged to take up arms. This will not be a quick war

 

[xris]

I am surprised that school didn't teach you the history basics. However that doesn't matter, there is a lot written about Stalin and his party's means of public and region control, also the factor that Germany was a common enemy and the hope that Stalin would would change his ways after the war, only for the allies to be fooled.

Correct JohnDe,
When I went to School, it was all British History.
and I majored in Science.

I'm also not a regular listener to the news and only found out to day (after my earlier post) that Russia did in fact invade Ukraine two days ago: and I like many do NOT support or condone that action, nor am I surprised at the reaction of the rest of the world, standing on the sidelines watching/talking and hoping the economic sanctions will resolve this.

 

[waterbottle]

The blocs are forming..... From The Guardian

Russia will expand trade with Asia to minimise economic effect of sanctions

Russia’s ministry for the economy said it is working on measures to minimise the impact of the sanctions imposed by western countries following the invasion of Ukraine.

The ministry said this will include plans to expand trade and economic ties with Asia, Reuters reports.

The ministry said:

We understand that the sanctions pressure we have faced since 2014 will now intensify.

The rhetoric of some of our foreign colleagues was such that we have been ready for potential new sanctions for a long time

 

[Smurf1976]

Petrol is already $199.99 around the corner from me.

Servo near me current prices:

91 = 199.7
95 = 214.8
98 = 223.9
Diesel = 179.9
LPG = 99.9

This will add to CPI no doubt.

 

[waterbottle]

Just to add to the above RE: blocs, Russia has already chosen both India & China as trading partners for agricultural + oil & gas products.

Meanwhile, Russia now retaliating with their own set of sanctions against the West.

The response from IMOEX.ME is positive, up 12% so far...

 

[Value Collector]

What I'm thinking of however is the next move beyond that.

If you've got multiple suppliers tied up under long term contract then you've guaranteed your own physical supply ahead of anyone else, since the resource is off the open market as such, and to the extent you've got a surplus to re-sell you get to set the terms of that sale.

China doesn't buy the crop they buy the farm. They don't buy a ship load of gas they buy the resource still in the ground. Etc. They do it long term.

I'm seeing this whole thing as partly about the glory days of the USSR but also at least partly about natural resources, trading blocs and so on of which China is a very relevant but not the only party. If so well then those not in the bloc who want to buy those resources are going to have some issues, they'll be getting the leftovers only and can't assume the ability to obtain physical supply simply by paying the market price.

That applies to all relevant resources although gas and oil are very obvious examples.

That's thinking ahead, it's not a 2022 thing but I suspect the war's linked to it ultimately.

China is also quite happy to rip up long term contracts if they feel they no longer require your resource, look at their ban on Coal.

But the coal industry survived, they market just shifted, China started hoovering up shipments for other places, leaving other export markets open to accept our coal.

 

[noirua]

Gunfire, explosions erupt inside Ukrainian capital as Russian forces advance on Kyiv: LIVE UPDATES

It's war: Russia launched a three-pronged invasion of Ukraine, targeting Kyiv, attacking the second-largest city Kharkov, and bringing in troops from Crimea. US, UK say Russia moving 'slower than expected' as army moves into capital city.

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