My question to all you guys is.......... Why are you so silly risking your own money! I mean really??
Inverting this provides the Prop shop business proposition and the right way to think about CanOz’ question.
All propositions start from an equal footing – but there is nothing here to evaluate – so my vote has to be - depends on the business plan.
Looking at the prop shop proposition - The traders are basically commission only employees – probably very easily dispatched if they don’t perform - So variable costs . The risk management is not delegated to the trader so that stays in the control of the capital provider. Trading limits would obviously only be increased for traders earning in excess of required return. Margin offsetting probably keeps capital requirements low for given exposure. All-up - Potential, but the Fiduciary risks and the mismatch of downside risk between capital and labour (when labour can create losses quickly) means the capital provider really needs to be active in the business. Probably not something I would passively invest in – (Are there any publically listed prop shops anywhere in the world? – it would be interesting to look inside the books)
Inverting this provides the Prop shop business proposition and the right way to think about CanOz’ question.
Looking at the prop shop proposition - The traders are basically commission only employees – probably very easily dispatched if they don’t perform - So variable costs . The risk management is not delegated to the trader so that stays in the control of the capital provider. Trading limits would obviously only be increased for traders earning in excess of required return. Margin offsetting probably keeps capital requirements low for given exposure. All-up - Potential, but the Fiduciary risks and the mismatch of downside risk between capital and labour (when labour can create losses quickly) means the capital provider really needs to be active in the business. Probably not something I would passively invest in
(Are there any publically listed prop shops anywhere in the world? – it would be interesting to look inside the books)
I wasn't replying to CanOz q's rather the prompt from Matty about why a trader who could trade trade with a prop shop.
I don’t understand why if you can make a return for somebody else’s capital why you wouldn’t also run your own capital alongside. Diversification maybe?
You cannot trade the same market as the ones you're trading for the prop shop for obvious reasons. I thought I would be able to develop a longer term system to run as well but frankly I cannot be bothered. I like doing my 5 hours of work a dayand logging off and not giving a toss about what happens till open tomorrow.
Just found the thread now but the poll is closed.
How'd you end up going with this Can Oz? Anything develop of it or at least get you thinking?
I'd be interested after some reading.
Look forward to further comments on the thread.
Very good point!I think the result was better than I thought from this crowd.
It's good to see...many wouldn't realize that there are traders trading thier supers and they haven't seen thier track record!
Cheers,
CanOz
Well done Orlando!!
CanOz
It was in his controversial book "A Random Walk Down Wall Street," that he claimed a "blindfolded monkey" could put together an investment portfolio better than a paid professional.
GB what point are you trying to make in relation to this thread. We should fund a cat rather than a trader?
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You also need to agree to pay fees on profits, which is facilitated through the broker.
I am in Melbourne
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