I have read it before.
You are talking about documents written 80years after Jesus died.
You might actually try reading my post quoted below before being so dismissive.
obviously a colour photo is to much to ask, but artwork of cook made during his life, documents about him from during his life, documents written by him etc.I really would like to see a colour photograph of Captain Cook's landing at Botany Bay before I believe that he was there.
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You can ask for whatever evidence you like, but expecting the Romans to write about what to them would have been a minor figure and one of their enemies during his lifetime is unrealistic.
Argue it out with professional historians, they seem to disagree with you
Why are the only things that exist about him show up decades after his death? we have plenty of Jewish art from that time, when jesus was said to have lived there is jewish art showing bible characters from the Old testament such as moses, why didn't anyone make some art of Jesus?
You can ask for whatever evidence you like, but expecting the Romans to write about what to them would have been a minor figure and one of their enemies during his lifetime is unrealistic.
He would have meant a lot to a lot of people, some one would have had to record something during his life, remember this guy is meant to be a god, there is plenty of smaller figures who were recorded.
Jesus was a Semite but he was starting a separate religion from that of the Old Testament so he would have been seen as an underminer of the old ways and a maverick by a lot of people who would have shunned him and would not have included him in the culture of that time evidenced by the fact that they chose him to be crucified rather than a thief, so it's not surprising that there is little literature about him during his life.
The fact that nothing of written testimony during his lifetime survives but he has now reached the distinction that he has when as you pointed out there were a lot like him in the time shows that it's more likely than not that there was truth behind the legend.
Yep, but Africans aren't really black either are they, and American Indians aren't really red, and Asians aren't really yellow. these are just terms were use to try and define slight differences in skin tone. I think you are wrapping yourself around the axles a bit here.
Do you have any other supporting research to back those claims?
Seems like a story the Mormon church would construct to try and give credit to their claims that Jesus Visited America.
Again, are you aware of any real evidence for this stuff, where are you getting this from?
There is actually a better than good chance that he didn't exist at all, and this whole discussion might be as silly as us trying to decide the colour pattern of the rainbow serpent. As I have said, if he existed, where are the artworks made of him during his life, the fact we have no art of him until over 100years after his death is a real blow to credibility, such a powerful figure would have inspired art works, where are they?
However there is no reason to believe if he did exist he would have be white, the explaination for that popular image is simply that the people that made those artworks lived in societies of light skinned people and made the images to represent what they saw as being a handsome charac.
He had lots of followers, something should have survived, especially if he is a God trying to spread a message that did so many miraculous things, eg bringing people back from the dead, feeding thousands of people, etc etc
If he wasn't a God, then he wasn't Jesus from the Bible, so Jesus from the bible isn't an historical person.
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Can you answer the question.
Is Santa (north pole, reindeer, toy factory, list maker and checker etc) a historical figure?
If not why not? there is more evidence for st Nicolas than there is for Jesus, why are you happy to say the Jesus character is a historical person but not santa.
The Santa Claus comparison is ridiculous.
Jesus lived in a time of insurrection and had just been executed for speaking out against the State so it's hardly surprising that people were not going to extol him in writing and risk the same fate untill things had cooled down.
Again, professional historians disagree with you, so take it up with them.
I didn't make those claims, .
just lifted off google for a point
The Santa Claus comparison is ridiculous.
Jesus lived in a time of insurrection and had just been executed for speaking out against the State so it's hardly surprising that people were not going to extol him in writing and risk the same fate untill things had cooled down.
Again, professional historians disagree with you, so take it up with them.
Saw in "the Life of Brian" that there's a teacher and prohet on every corner in those days of Jesus (yes I know it's a Monty movie). He's apparently the best among them and his followers kept on spreading his teaching until Constantine thought it convenient to take Christianity onboard as a State religion.
I think I heard it from Chomsky that Christianity was, up until it became the new Roman Empire's State religion, was the religion of the poor and the oppressed - that's why it attracted so many followers. Once its in power, it then serve the state and its aims so rises those cathedrals and marble statues and heavy handed suppression of other "cults".
Kinda like modern day capitalism.
Capitalism has always been about plutocracy and the rule of the rich. Communism started off with the rule of the poor and now its a worse plutocracy than capitalism, how many millionaires in China and Russia now compared to the poor condition of the masses ?
So Communism is more like Christianity, power devolves to a few unelected (or shonkily elected) cadres and cardinals.
And yet the lessons on muslim migration in Europe do not seem to be understood by a few here, even after 30 years of experiences on various modesl: multiculturalism, integration, unlimited welfare etc with similar disastrous resultsTrue. Can't argue with that.
I'm glad we're in Australia where it take a few years before technology and political moves up north came on down. Give us some time to maybe learn a thing or two and avoid their mistakes.
So Communism is more like Christianity, power devolves to a few unelected (or shonkily elected) cadres and cardinals.
As I said, Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas, which is all Christianity, and yet you persist with your religious/Christian persecution, as was going on in that time.
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To the point that "most historians agree there was a Jesus, they are not talking about a supernatural man doing miracles, just that there was a man or a few men who the stories were based on.
Once again you move the goalposts, you started off by saying Jesus didn't exist now you say he did but the stories about him aren't true.
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There is actually a better than good chance that he didn't exist at all, and this whole discussion might be as silly as us trying to decide the colour pattern of the rainbow serpent.
On the second point you are of course on much firmer ground. There is no evidence apart from anecdotal that he performed miracles or actually said what people say he did, so it's a matter of what people want to believe, and you obviously don't which is fine
There is myths and legend stories about all sorts of people that may have been based on real people, eg King Arther and the Knights of the round table, some have evolved into myths involving slaying dragons and wizards etc,
Yeah all that's fine, but if Jesus was as insignificant as you try to pretend then it's more amazing to me that anything about him survived at all let alone for 50+ years after his death ?
when all those who knew him would most likely be dead.
Why was he just not forgotten like all the other preachers of the time
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