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Dona Ferentes said:
I saw the 'source'. It's hardly news. 01 April was the day the Russians were demanding roubles for payment. They've been supplying " contract only, no spot sales" for months. It's all Argy bargy
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This is typical European "stuff".

They dragged Australia in to two world wars through imperialism and fascism.

I couldn't give a rats about the leaders but have some pity for the civilians and conscripts and Ukranian soldiers.

The West has its own Oligarchs who will decide when oil stops running from Russia to the West, particularly Germany.

Any oil problems in Europe are a product of Merkel's amateurish reading of Putin. Let them burn U3cake.

gg
 
waterbottle said:
Is there a non zero hedge source to back this up? This is huge for a region dependent on Russian energy...
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An interesting point.

I'm certainly not intending to spread fake news, stating that the flow of gas through a pipe has stopped is pretty clear and not something that can really be put down to misunderstanding of terminology etc, but perhaps it is indeed not really true?

I've spotted two other definitely fake items on the issue from a different perspective although in that case it was more about trickery than actual lies. Akin to "I don't get food from a farm, instead I buy it from a supermarket" type reasoning. Technically correct in a sense but not really.

If it's fake then my apologies but if we're at that point, outright lies, then the propaganda aspect of it's worse than I'd assumed.
 
Shocking War Crimes are being uncovered, committed by Russian forces as they retreat from Bukha.

Civilian rape, torture and executions.




gg
 
Dona Ferentes said:
wait till the truth comes out about Mariupol, and the non-Russians in the Donbas.

Russia is an empire whose use-by date has long passed.
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The talk in Warsaw is of preparations for a NATO solution to Putin's hegemony as soon as the Bucha atrocities are confirmed, Sunday their time.

This is good as it will nip things in the bud, unlike when Hitler was allowed walk in to Czecho in 1939.

I would agree with the Europeans that NATO have no other option than to take the fight up to Russia and liberate Donbas and Crimea as well for Ukraine.

Now is the perfect time with Russian forces in disarray.

gg
 
Watched this video and couldn't help but notice on the map they showed the amount of NATO country's in green that could assist Ukraine with air support to stop the bombing, troops and artillery to suppress the Russian advance and Ukraine would be liberated, with less destruction to their well being...Biden's influence over NATO had prevented this and Ukraine is in dire straits...Left out to dry?
Lithuania unlike Germany's position have cut ties with Russian gas...


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This is the problem with making so public a show of arming all citizens to "fight" the invading armies.
 
UMike said:
This is the problem with making so public a show of arming all citizens to "fight" the invading armies.
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Depends on who and what your rooting for, rather have the balls to fight for a legit course, then bend over to Putin!
 

What would happen if those NATO countries did start shooting down Russian planes, and then Russia took that as a declaration of war and launched their nuclear missiles into those countries?
 

Really ? You reckon NATO should just roll through Ukraine and then into Russia to sort things out ?

Just M.A.D. And that's not just my view.
 
The truly terrifying reality about the Ukraine war is the certainty of mass world starvation and the collapse/disintegration of many countries as food supplies rapidly dwindle.

Ukraine and Russia are major suppliers of the worlds grain. And there is no way these supplies or grain plantings will happen in a war zone.

So I wonder exactly what is happening around the world to create new foods to tackle the critical problems already evident.

Bombing the world’s breadbasket​


Wheat fields in midsummer (August) in Ukraine, Oblast Lviv © Raimond Spekking / CC BY-SA 4.0 (via Wikimedia Commons)
For the past month, the world has watched in horror as civilians suffer and die in Ukraine. They are being shelled in their homes, sheltering in freezing basements, and fleeing under fire. Yet even as we try to support Ukrainians and end the war, we cannot forget the vulnerable elsewhere. The Russian invasion is causing pain far beyond Ukraine’s borders. A global hunger catastrophe is looming.

 
basilio said:
Really ? You reckon NATO should just roll through Ukraine and then into Russia to sort things out ?

Just M.A.D. And that's not just my view.
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As mad as it may seem and no, not thinking about nukes but a solution must be found for Putin.

With the suspending of Russia from the UN Human Rights Council now just might be the time to resolve the headache created by this heartless thug.
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
No I don’t.

Just read my post again.

gg
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??? You must be very. very subtle there GG. What you said was

The talk in Warsaw is of preparations for a NATO solution to Putin's hegemony as soon as the Bucha atrocities are confirmed, Sunday their time.
This is good as it will nip things in the bud, unlike when Hitler was allowed walk in to Czecho in 1939.
I would agree with the Europeans that NATO have no other option than to take the fight up to Russia and liberate Donbas and Crimea as well for Ukraine.
Now is the perfect time with Russian forces in disarray.

As I read it
1) You see NATO having a (military) solution to Putins hegemony.
2) You think NATO should send in sufficient military power to throw the Russian Army out of Donbas and Crimea

I think Russia would view that action as an existential threat and go nuclear. M.A.D. scenario

* M.A.D. Mutually Assured Destruction. The current nuclear stance of Russia and the West. If a nuclear war starts everyone goes up in smoke.
 
first Bushmasters on their way. Some twenty going in total. A five day turn around for the C-17 uplift
 
I personally can't see the M.A.D option eventuating unless the head(s) of state are well and truly mad!

Even a small nuke war will cause much angst Calling any nuke war small, boggles the mind!

The bottom line remains that a war involving less than 1% of the world’s nuclear arsenal could shatter the planet’s food supplies.
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There is zero chance of Putin using nuclear weapons.

He is a player.

Surrounded by players.

gg
 
Please don't suffer from 'war fatigue' , especially from the comfort of [y]our safe homes.

Some naif posts pictures of queues of civilians at a railway station, and the animals send in missiles.

"Slava Ukrayini!” “Heroyam Slava!"
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
There is zero chance of Putin using nuclear weapons.

He is a player.

Surrounded by players.

gg
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Sorry I disagree as think Putin most likely will use nuclear weapons if he's pressured/threatened in any way. He has made it clear that whoever steps into this Ukraine conflict directly against Russia will pay the price/suffer the consequences.
 
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