War threat in Ukraine

JohnDe said:

unlike you

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LMAO

Okay, its pants down and full bladders at ten paces... extra points for colour and acridity. But bear in mind the friction burns on your "old fella" will be there for all to see.

wayneL said:

LMAO

Okay, its pants down and full bladders at ten paces... extra points for colour and acridity. But bear in mind the friction burns on your "old fella" will be there for all to see.

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Hey, it was you that decided to talk about the size of your penis in a conversation about Russia and the Ukraine. if you can't handle a like for like response, then stick to the subject matter


" I have always asked myself is what is my risk of ruin... And believe me, I have answered that question incorrectly in the past with that risk of ruin coming from somewhere completely unexpected.....So maybe it just might be a good idea for all concerned, including we plebeians, to back off the belligerence. " wayneL

JohnDe said:

Hey, it was you that decided to talk about the size of your penis in a conversation about Russia and the Ukraine. if you can't handle a like for like response, then stick to the subject matter

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Really?

it would be interesting if you could quote where I mentioned the size of my penis.

I'll wait.

Lol, a battle of the 'heads, where's my popcorn??

Craton said:

Lol, a battle of the 'heads, where's my popcorn??

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Well, Johnny hasn't turned up for round two yet... waiting... waiting.

wayneL said:

Well, Johnny hasn't turned up for round two yet... waiting... waiting.

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Same.

JohnDe said:

Same.

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Just waiting for you to show where I mentioned size, Bro. Then we can rock on.

Let's pray/hope it doesn't come to this

Logique2 said:

'Ukraine and the Great Energy Reset
If there were ever a time for energy realism, it is now.'
Mark P. Mills: March 7, 2022

Ukraine and the Great Energy Reset

Elon Musk is back in the news. In a tweet heard ’round the world, he stated a simple truth related to the Ukraine war: “Hate to say it, but we

www.city-journal.org

"Elon Musk is back in the news. In a tweet heard ’round the world, he stated a simple truth related to the Ukraine war: 'Hate to say it, but we need to increase oil & gas output immediately.'... The energy policies of the past two decades have utterly failed to chart a path toward a future free of hydrocarbons—and more critically, free of dependencies on regimes unfriendly to the West..."

Germany is reported in the media to be looking at bringing some of their coal-fired electricity plants back online (to minimize dependence on Russian gas).

A more sensible timeline towards Net Zero.. It's all that Bjorn Lomborg and many others have ever said. ..Lomborg was then run out of Australia, by a small number of academic institutions.

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On the energy stuff I'll simply observe that none of this is new, indeed it's far more well established than most seem to realise.

This issue, not climate change, is the reason the International Energy Agency was established in the first place with its associated agreements and so on.

It's also the actual reason why the then newly elected state government in Victoria, back in 1982, proposed an assortment of energy regulations in that state which had as their object a move away from oil and gas.

At the risk of lobbing an off topic rock - it's also a key focus in the planning documents circa 1977 which ultimately lead to the highly controversial at the time but never built hydro scheme involving the Franklin River in Tasmania.

Also the actual reason why France went all in on nuclear, dismissing economic cost as a comparatively unimportant consideration.

Same reason for the US' Energy Efficiency Act of 1979.

Same reason the New Zealand government established the New Zealand Synthetic Fuels Corporation which in a joint venture with Mobil Oil (now ExxonMobil) built and operated the world's only synthetic petrol production plant with production commencing in 1986 (since closed). The petrol produced was 97 RON for the record (without lead or other such additives) so it sure wasn't junk.

Same reason Shell, ARCO, Exxon and several others jointly blew USD 5.5 billion circa 1980 proving that oil shale could be developed but without actually building a permanent operation. That's $5.5 billion in actual 1980 $, equivalent to about USD 19 billion today adjusted for inflation. It was a joint effort by multiple companies at a single site.

And on I could go. There's a rather long list of these.....

Point being this wasn't just an issue that an academic or a few data geeks sitting in a back office somewhere knew about. 40 years ago - that's quite a while but it's well within living memory so it begs the question "how on earth was this forgotten?" How on earth has the West ended up in such a mess over something that was clearly understood by all sorts of people, from big corporations and major national governments down to relatively small countries and Australian state governments, less than 40 years ago?

Heck even National Geographic put out a special issue devoted solely to the subject and complete with lots of technical details and so on. So even the general public had access to the information at the time.

There's a broader lesson in there I think - I'm no guru on anything about wars but I strongly suspect those who do know about them are thinking much the same "how have we managed to fail to learn from relatively recent history that was so well understood not that long ago?"

Telamelo said:

Let's pray/hope it doesn't come to this

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Anyone advocating for escalating is a damn idiot. At the moment deaths are in the tens of thousands. Escalate and its damn well in the hundreds. Bloody fools without a clue.
This is a grind them on all fronts. Be it sanctions, trade, banking system, military assistance to Ukraine, etc. I'd rather see Putin taken out with an internal struggle then watch Europe and Russia in flames.

The worst thing you could do is kick off WW3 you pack of idiots. You have no bloody idea who else will get involved or what Russia is willing to do. And Russia isn't even the biggest threat in the room.
Utter madness.

I don’t think that anyone is calling for an escalation of hostilities.

Ukraine is asking for assistance to protect their freedom, their democracy and their lives.

The majority of the world is answering in unison, in a first that shows an aggressor and any would be aggressor that we are united against war.

The probability of a nuclear war is minute but even 0.5% is too much. And so is a world split in two by dictators willing to blackmail every country with the threat of nuclear retaliation if we don’t bend to their demands.

We stand now and live with freedom that our grandparents fought for, or we bow down and beg on our knees.

While the fighting goes on and the west does not waver while carefully and bravely supporting Ukraine, strong and wise negotiations must continue behind the scenes with Putin and Russian leaders.

I am optimistic that that this will end without a nuclear weapon being fired, because it is in no one’s interest to have a desolate Russia and a destroyed Europe.

Maybe people just want to get involved in this war. Well here you go. You can actively save lives without becoming a red smear on the Ukrainian landscape.



Helping pets left behind.


Some of the bigger charities.




Big list of charities here:

JohnDe said:

wise negotiations must continue behind the scenes

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I think the key point for the general public is this bit.

Whatever's really going on won't be in the news.

JohnDe said:

I don’t think that anyone is calling for an escalation of hostilities.

Ukraine is asking for assistance to protect their freedom, their democracy and their lives.

The majority of the world is answering in unison, in a first that shows an aggressor and any would be aggressor that we are united against war.

The probability of a nuclear war is minute but even 0.5% is too much. And so is a world split in two by dictators willing to blackmail every country with the threat of nuclear retaliation if we don’t bend to their demands.

We stand now and live with freedom that our grandparents fought for, or we bow down and beg on our knees.

While the fighting goes on and the west does not waver while carefully and bravely supporting Ukraine, strong and wise negotiations must continue behind the scenes with Putin and Russian leaders.

I am optimistic that that this will end without a nuclear weapon being fired, because it is in no one’s interest to have a desolate Russia and a destroyed Europe.

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I don't think you realise just how razor thin the line actually is.
The West is actively doing what it can. We are very near an all out war.
Regardless of nukes or not. If the war begins to spread, we will begin to have huge civilian casualties on either side.

It sucks for ukraine absolutely. But right now Russia is keeping civilian casualties at the lower end of the scale.

The right thing to do is provide aid to the Ukrainian people that need shelter/food.

That's where civilians can start.

moXJO said:

I don't think you realise just how razor thin the line actually is.
The West is actively doing what it can. We are very near an all out war.
Regardless of nukes or not. If the war begins to spread, we will begin to have huge civilian casualties on either side.

It sucks for ukraine absolutely. But right now Russia is keeping civilian casualties at the lower end of the scale.

The right thing to do is provide aid to the Ukrainian people that need shelter/food.

That's where civilians can start.

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It's all pretty realistic that the civilians of Ukraine need love and respect, plus all the support of the West and Europe in these trying times. But your got to put into prospective, that there all ready in all out war. To respect the Ukrainian people and their way of life, NATO needs to provide Air Support. This in turn will reduce casualty's and infrastructure damage to preserve UKRAINE.

So then Putin then under minds this. But he needs to be put into his place, he can threaten with war mung a talk of nukes, but to me that's just scare tactics that scares the US because their carrying, and that Intimates NATO. So where left with a stale mate situation.

Interesting to see what comes out of the meeting between Biden and NATO some where in Europe on the 24th I believe. Where it should be disgust that they supply a no fly zone over Ukraine. This will put Putin in his place. Ukrainian will have a fair and just fight for their freedoms against Russia. AID WILL THEN BE ABLE TO REACH THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE...

Stockybailz said:

It's all pretty realistic that the civilians of Ukraine need love and respect, plus all the support of the West and Europe in these trying times. But your got to put into prospective, that there all ready in all out war. To respect the Ukrainian people and their way of life, NATO needs to provide Air Support. This in turn will reduce casualty's and infrastructure damage to preserve UKRAINE.

So then Putin then under minds this. But he needs to be put into his place, he can threaten with war mung a talk of nukes, but to me that's just scare tactics that scares the US because their carrying, and that Intimates NATO. So where left with a stale mate situation.

Interesting to see what comes out of the meeting between Biden and NATO some where in Europe on the 24th I believe. Where it should be disgust that they supply a no fly zone over Ukraine. This will put Putin in his place. Ukrainian will have a fair and just fight for their freedoms against Russia. AID WILL THEN BE ABLE TO REACH THE UKRAINIAN PEOPLE...

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The time for air support has passed, it could have been done before the invasion but not now, for several reasons.
If air support was to be implemented now the Russian air defence could easily destroy NATO planes.
Forget air support.

JohnDe said:

The time for air support has passed, it could have been done before the invasion but not now, for several reasons.
If air support was to be implemented now the Russian air defence could easily destroy NATO planes.
Forget air support.

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Full on! That's right there could of been more attention to the Ukrainian needs earlier on. But for me it's never to late. I don't like the idea of Putin getting what he wants. I reckon NATO can take Russia air, land, and sea. i got a lot riding on the fact that Ukraine stands their ground and defeats Putin/Russia, because he doesn't scare me unlike Biden who's a coward just like Putin hiding behind his nukes.

A bit of a bad invention that the Nukes. But for me all politicians with there finger on the button. Because the demographics are over established with power greed. Personally not enough intention to detail and the theory of a war with nukes, should be nipped in the bud by expelling the Cold War days and taking Russia down...

Sorry to hear about it Ukraine!

What can still be done is passing over the migs from Poland and Bulgaria like it was planned but stalled. Its a very thin line there but russians are apparrently flying in some planes from belarus now

Air support will be considered an act of war. There is zero chance of that happening.

However there's a bunch of switchblade missiles and the starstreak system from the brits heading there.
Millions are being spent on the defence of Ukraine.
There's also a tonne of ex special forces guys risking their lives in there.

You would not get "no fly" or air support at all.