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xris said:
Interesting:
I've heard similar stories about the Italian Army and Mussolini's Invasion of Greece during WW11
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Is a group of 19 year old Russian conscripts that don’t really want to be there and just want to get paid going to fight as hard as a group of people fighting to defend their families? Probably not.

If you don’t believe in the mission, you are going to be more risk averse and think way the hell am I here anyway, but the Ukrainian Men and Women know exactly what they are fighting for.
 
Yes!!
Soldiers are taught/drilled to OBEY orders, not to evaluate or judge them.

It took USA many many years and many unnecessary deaths to learn a similar lesson in Vietnam and later in Afghanistan
 

This was exactly the same back in the Chechen war, I don't think it is by chance they are repeating the same mistakes. Russian leaders just don't give a fk

Battle of Grozny (1994–1995) - Wikipedia

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Things are playing out the same so far
 
Canada’s main stock index lost ground on Thursday, though mining stocks tracked higher metal prices amid Russian supply concerns, while rapid moves in the energy and bond markets slowed as investors monitored the war in Ukraine.
The geopolitical conflict in Ukraine heightened as Russia laid siege to key Ukrainian city of Mariupol, cutting it off from the world. As the invasion continues for a second week, the Russian authority has stepped up its shelling of Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city.
The London Stock Exchange said it had suspended trading in shares of 27 companies with links to Russia, including some of the biggest names in energy and steel.
Crude oil prices also maintained their skyward journey.
 

Fire breaks out at Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant​

A fire has broken out in Europe’s largest nuclear power plant located in Zaporizhzhya, according to an announcement from plant employees and the mayor of the nearby town of Enerhodar.
“As a result of continuous enemy shelling of buildings and units of the largest nuclear power plant in Europe, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is on fire,” Enerhodar Mayor Dmytro Orlov said on his Telegram channel just after 1.30am local time, citing what he called a threat to world security.

Putin likens Western sanctions to war as Russian assault traps Ukrainian civilians

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Western sanctions were akin to war as his forces pressed their assault on Ukraine on Saturday for a 10th day and the IMF warned the conflict would have a "severe impact" on the global economy.
www.reuters.com
 
That will crash Euro stock markets. Truly the Russians are incompetant.
 
Putin seems determined to take all of Ukraine by force if necessary. To do that he will use whatever military muscle is required. To date that involves sustained shelling of cities and infrastructure.

IMV the economic fallout of this sustained attack will rise sharply. The question of nuclear power stations under attack can only make matters worse.

Russia is being kicked out of most international economic activity (except for critical imports/exports). Even that is probably on the cusp of collapse. Ukraine as a important international grain growing country as well as its other resources is now questionable if a war of destruction continues. I think the economic red lights are flashing. Stock markets could very easily go risk averse.
 
It will be integral to prevent this situation from getting out of control as the damage would be far greater than anything that occurred at Chernobyl. The good new is that US and Ukrainian reports suggest that radiation is within normal limits for now.

The news sparked another round of risk-off flows, with Asian equities on track to end the week lower. All trading carries risk, but it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the European and US markets later today. Will this prompt speculation of a larger-scale conflict, pushing gold and other safe-havens higher?
 
The International Atomic Energy Agency is on full alert/defcon 1 but there's been no radiation spike reported yet.
 
Knobby22 said:
That will crash Euro stock markets. Truly the Russians are incompetant.
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Maybe, maybe that is their intention ? If our stock market is cactus lets see what happens when yours goes south.

It could also be a very deadly game of bluff. We will destroy Ukraine piece by piece if doesn't roll over.
 
basilio said:
Maybe, maybe that is their intention ? If our stock market is cactus lets see what happens when yours goes south.
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Maybe, but: "Do not ascribe to malice what can be explained with simple incompetence"

Cutting some of the gas and/or oil off would be a much easier/less dangerous/less permanent way to twist the knife.
 
over9k said:
Maybe, but: "Do not ascribe to malice what can be explained with simple incompetence"

Cutting some of the gas and/or oil off would be a much easier/less dangerous/less permanent way to twist the knife.
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Who knows ? We do know the Russians are attacking infrastructure and cities on a wide front. Control of exactly what is attacked and hit will reside with local commanders and literally , individual tank commanders. It is a rolling disaster.
 
basilio said:
Maybe, maybe that is their intention ? If our stock market is cactus lets see what happens when yours goes south.

It could also be a very deadly game of bluff. We will destroy Ukraine piece by piece if doesn't roll over.
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They will destroy Ukraine piece by piece but causing an incident at the nuclear power station in a battle from a few stray shots is just a stuff up.

Everything is not a conspiracy, especially a half assed incident like this. Completely with over9K comments.

War is messy. Russian tanks running out of petrol, poor communications, kids being sent out wet behind the ears. Tell me this is not incompetence.

If they wanted to make an incident they would just make one. Don't forget they want the country so they want power, even if they destroy the cities completely and run the farms using Russian labour.

The plan was always to pay for the war by selling the wheat to China.
 
MovingAverage said:
Seems like if Putin can't have the place he's going to make sure no one else does.

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Looking on Google Earth, this area looks to be fairly strategic in terms of industry etc.

There's the nuclear power plant but 3km away is another substantial power station, coal-fired, which was clearly operational at the time of the image capture and presumably still was until the invasion.

Right next to the coal plant is another power station which looks to be oil-fired and which may also plausibly burn gas (that bit's speculation on my part - there's what looks to be an added pipe visible but it may not actually be a gas pipe). This facility is visibly old from the outside - it may or may not still be in use.

About 50km away there's what looks to be a large integrated steelworks.

Not far from the steelworks is a dam and hydro power station. The dam also functions as a bridge, there's a road carrying traffic built across the top of the dam and a pedestrian footpath too.

Near the steelworks and dam there's a reasonably sized town with houses, shops etc all visible as well as at least two hospitals and a medical university so it looks to be some sort of medical hub.

So the overall area looks to be highly strategic in terms of industry and infrastructure.
 
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