We'll have to just disagree on this. Particularly in the context of what many pensioners believe to be happening which is that the amount currently being received is going to be reduced. Listen to a few radio talk back programs and you'll get it.
How condescending of you, banco. Believe it or not, many pensioners don't even have an internet connection.Not labor's fault the pensioners can't find time to look up the details (what else have they got to do all day anyway?).
How condescending of you, banco. Believe it or not, many pensioners don't even have an internet connection.
Neither do some of them have the expectation that they should be required not to take at face value what the media and the Labor Party tells them.
A further example of this misinformation occurred today courtesy Doug Cameron who has apparently told pensioners that they will 'no longer be receiving the Seniors Supplement'.
The reality is that pensioners have never received the Seniors Supplement. It is a payment designed to co-exist with the Commonwealth Seniors Health Card issued to self funded retirees with income not more than $50,000, and to go toward helping pay for utilities.
So tell me how that is not attempting to manipulate the fears of pensioners quite dishonestly.
PS Confirmation of the above can be found on the ABC website. Look up today's radio news.
I'm sure you, unlike some pensioners, will have the capacity to check.
Syd, I will never understand why, when someone makes a criticism of the behaviour of one side of politics, it is apparently assumed that critic has never felt similarly critical toward the 'other side'.
If you were ever to bother looking through many of my posts over many years, you'd find plenty of criticism of all sides, the present government very much included.
Bill Shorten and all Labor MPs could not give a hoot about the National interest....It is confrontation for the sake of confrontation.
They obviously do not want the Abbott government to succeed in bring our finances under control......they are in complete denial of how serious the situation is......Wake up Labor.....your country needs you to do the right thing.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...eraldsun/comments/not_savage_and_no_surprise/
So what is your view on Abbott wanting to allow unlimited 457 visa workers into the country?
As reported in you primary source of information - The Australian
Official data reveals that while 67,000 Australian technicians and tradies search for work, employers have brought in 10,210 foreign trade workers on 457 work visas during the first nine months of this financial year. Employers also looked offshore for 19,260 professional staff, despite a pool of 83,700 Australians unemployed.
And 8150 managers were sponsored on 457 visas, despite 40,200 Australian managers on the dole queue…
Please tell me how allowing even more foreign workers into the country, when we already have a decade high level of unemployment, when the participation rate is continuing to fall so there's a high level of hidden unemployment, when youth unemployment is over 12% is in my interest, the unemployed's interest, and really the interests of civil society in Australia? Besides Gina the odd foreign resource company, who's interests is Abbott serving
Lets say hypothetically, you are settled in Sydney with your wife and family, a nice home and you are an unemployed diesel mechanic......A job comes up in a remote place in Western Australia...would you in all honesty accept that job?
I believe you will find the reason why overseas workers are brought in on 457 visas is because the majority of Australians looking for these jobs do not want to relocate in to remote areas where these jobs are most available
Lets say hypothetically, you are settled in Sydney with your wife and family, a nice home and you are an unemployed diesel mechanic......A job comes up in a remote place in Western Australia...would you in all honesty accept that job?
I am sure you are aware of this but you find it hard to admit it, instead like a lot of whingers in the Labor Party, they will twist things around to discredit the current government where ever they can.
Let us not forget unemployment went up by 200,000 during 2007/13.
Tasmania with the highest unemployment on the country cannot get workers to pick fruit so they have to rely on overseas workers to do the jobs. This is just an example of one industry.
I hope that answers your question.
so can we all agree that Abbott and Shorten are each as rotten as the others, just with different lobby groups and that neither are actually working for Australia.
We really need either some honest politicians or at least an alternate 3 rd party and no, the green are not one...
Pretty much. The greens COULD be an alternative party, if they could get rid of the extremism in some of their policies. They're certainly at least acknowledging the house affordability crisis and the negative consequences it's having on society which is more than the LABERALs have done. Family first has a very good housing policy, but then their towards the religious nutter view of the world on most things.
The Sex party has a novel way of balancing the budget via legalising most drugs in personal use quantities and taxing their consumption. Seems a far better idea than our current expensive ban that does little to limit drug use and exposes people to potentially unsafe product.
Labor sickened me when they ignored so many good ideas in the Henry tax Review, Abbott sickens me because he's ignored them too and wasted money on another review that will likely make similar recommendations. It's also likely he will ignore most of the recommendations as they will strike at the very heart of the rentier class.
The party that has a viable policy based on attacking tax expenditures and affordable housing at < 4 times the median income of each capital city will likely get my vote. I fear flying pigs will occur before that happens.
Tasmania with the highest unemployment on the country cannot get workers to pick fruit so they have to rely on overseas workers to do the jobs. This is just an example of one industry.
Perhaps consider that 'the majority on this forum' simply disagreed with the carbon tax and naturally enough would not wish to negate anything said against it.So while you may be just as critical of Abbotts' fear mongering when he was in opposition, the majority on this forum only seem to see things as negative when it's Labor that's doing them.
On the contrary, all impressions suggest that the government has indeed realised the party is over and they are attempting to address the situation. Labor, on the other hand, seem to either actually still be in denial, or have also realised the oncoming mess, but have elected to maximise their political advantage by playing to the naivete and vulnerability of the electorate.I'd love Labor to offer some smart alternative savings - they have all the Henry Tax review savings still to implement - but they're sadly playing from the small target rule book and are setting themselves up for the same revenue shortfalls that Abbott has gotten himself into.
The magic pudding of an ever expanding ToT and private debt has come to an end. Neither side of politics seems to have realised that as yet.
Tasmania with the highest unemployment on the country cannot get workers to pick fruit so they have to rely on overseas workers to do the jobs. This is just an example of one industry.
I acknowledge that this is anecdotal evidence only, but every afternoon I walk through a large caravan park populated by itinerant baby boomers. Talking with them, 90% of them move around the country following seasonal fruit picking. They tell me, yes, it's quite hard work, but the money is good for those who are prepared to put in the effort.Possibly the fact it's nearly impossible to earn a liveable income from picking fruit, and the fact that it is back breaking labour so anyone thinking to take it up would need at least a month to ease into it - slower picking means less $$$ is why it's hard to get people willing to do the work.
I can't be bothered looking up the details for you, but there was an announcement quite recently that the government would provide removal expenses plus incentive payments for people prepared to move to where they could find work.Who will help to pay the moving costs of the unemployed to move to a new area, especially in the Abbott era of no income support for 6 months?
Answered. See above.Should Abbott provide a 10K incentive for the unemployed over 50s to move to Tasmania to pick fruit? If they're of fit body they shouldn't they be required to work any job like it's expected of the young?
+1. A great shame that the infighting within the Democrats caused their demise.What you said syd.
I think we need to ask whether the problem is the electorate rather than the politicians.
Why did a moderate, commonsense party like the Australian Democrats eventually fail ?
Not enough media attention ? Letting through the GST ? (Howard's majority fell sharply after the GST went through because he had a big majority). Infighting (Lees vs Stott-Despoia) ? Defection of Kernot ?
They had good policies, but not strong leadership. Maybe the electorate still plays the man and not the ball.
+1. A great shame that the infighting within the Democrats caused their demise.
The rot seemed to start with Cheryl Kernot defecting to Labor, presumably connected with her relationship with a prominent Labor figure. As a result, their status of the maintainers of integrity was compromised, it seemed.
On the contrary, all impressions suggest that the government has indeed realised the party is over and they are attempting to address the situation. Labor, on the other hand, seem to either actually still be in denial, or have also realised the oncoming mess, but have elected to maximise their political advantage by playing to the naivete and vulnerability of the electorate.
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