In danger of going off topic here so I'll keep it brief. I suggest you watch:
http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/customuniverse/
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1876666.Paul_Davies
Food for thought.
I think they are backing the wrong side. I don't think that either of them realises that allah is an imaginary god.
http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/1876666.Paul_DaviesScientists are slowly waking up to an inconvenient truth - the universe looks suspiciously like a fix. The issue concerns the very laws of nature themselves. For 40 years, physicists and cosmologists have been quietly collecting examples of all too convenient "coincidences" and special features in the underlying laws of the universe that seem to be necessary in order for life, and hence conscious beings, to exist. Change any one of them and the consequences would be lethal. Fred Hoyle, the distinguished cosmologist, once said it was as if "a super-intellect has monkeyed with physics".
To see the problem, imagine playing God with the cosmos. Before you is a designer machine that lets you tinker with the basics of physics. Twiddle this knob and you make all electrons a bit lighter, twiddle that one and you make gravity a bit stronger, and so on. It happens that you need to set thirtysomething knobs to fully describe the world about us. The crucial point is that some of those metaphorical knobs must be tuned very precisely, or the universe would be sterile.
Example: neutrons are just a tad heavier than protons. If it were the other way around, atoms couldn't exist, because all the protons in the universe would have decayed into neutrons shortly after the big bang. No protons, then no atomic nucleuses and no atoms. No atoms, no chemistry, no life. Like Baby Bear's porridge in the story of Goldilocks, the universe seems to be just right for life.”
― Paul Davies
Many religions and religious sects are problematic for various reasons. Radical Islam and the extreme violence it sanctions can't be "calmly" resisted, it requires decisive military action. Boycotting Halal certification is a total waste of time and only hurts local producers.Islam is the most problematic religion on Earth and we should be calmly, but firmly, resisting its attempts to infiltrate us and ultimately dominate us. Boycotting Halal certified food and objecting to the building of mosques, etc are simple acts of resistance we can all do, as well as rejecting socialist, bleeding heart politicians who favour Muslims.
Every society harboring radical Islamists has a serious problem. France did not create this problem, Islamists did.France now has a serious Muslim problem, but they have created it for themselves so now they have to deal with it, ... and no one can tell the French what to do.
On one hand you condemn the massacre and on the other you think some of the victims are more deserving of compassion and sympathy than others based on their occupation. They are ALL innocent victims, clearly something you fail to comprehend and yes your comments sound callous and insensitive and they are. Your attitude reminds me of those who criticized the Jews for not leaving Europe quickly enough when the Nazi's started to persecute them based on the notion that they should have seen what was coming. Hence the victims are at fault as they should have anticipated the violent actions of the perpetrators and been intimidated into action.Of course I condemn the barbarous murders in Paris, as I condemn all acts of terrorism and wanton violence, but I'm not going to shed crocodile tears and run around holding up a silly "Je suis Charlie" sign in support of a bunch of arrogant French artists who frankly should have known better.
My compassion is directed to the innocent victims of this horrific massacre ... the cops who were slaughtered in their line of duty, plus any others who were innocently caught up in the event.
Actions have reactions and we all know that Muslims take their prophet very seriously and those cartoonists knew perfectly well what they were doing when they published their provocative and insulting drawings, and it does not surprise me that a couple of extremists one day decided to whack them. And if that sounds callous and insensitive then sorry but they should have heeded the first message that was sent to them when their office was burnt down.
Ah, the slippery slope argument for censorship of those who might offend others belief in imaginary God's and their false prophets. Sam Harris says it best...Calm and firm resolve to resist the Islamic takeover is what we need, and what we don't need are arrogant film makers, cartoonists and other provocateurs, and the fools who support them, who delight in insulting particular groups of people and desecrating their religious icons, monuments, grave stones, etc, etc ... things that they hold sacred ... under the guise of "freedom of speech", for their own personal gain ... and I disagree with those who think that this is acceptable behaviour.
The freedom to think out loud on certain topics, without fear of being hounded into hiding or killed, has already been lost. And the only forces on earth that can recover it are strong, secular governments that will face down charges of blasphemy with scorn. No apologies necessary. Muslims must learn that if they make belligerent and fanatical claims upon the tolerance of free societies, they will meet the limits of that tolerance
Re-education camps like we have in North Korea perhaps. This is nothing more than totalitarian excrement masquarading as a reasonable proposition.But rather than seeing them executed I would prefer to see them firmly re-educated to redirect their energies into more productive activities.
Free speech is exploited every day on the internet and cartoonists who avoid mocking the bad ideas embodied in religions like Islam are cowards.What "free speech" we enjoy in this country is something that should be treasured and not exploited and abused for the sake of notoriety and personal gain. Our cartoonists seem to understand that concept and exercise appropriate restraint when expressing their views, and for that I congratulate them.
I get your point but, pixel, it doesn't really seem particularly useful to consider what may have occurred hundreds of years ago as relevant to what is happening now.It depends very much on what time period and what brand of religion you're talking about. If it's today's Taliban and Al-Qaeda perverted version of Saudi-style Wahhabism, you may have a point. But turn the clock back 500 years and contemplate Spanish Catholicism, and the Incas, who were murdered by Spanish Conquistadors, would strongly disagree. As would the Canaanites two millennia before that, when "The Chosen People" killed them for their "Land of Milk and Honey".
Many religions and religious sects are problematic for various reasons. Radical Islam and the extreme violence it sanctions can't be "calmly" resisted, it requires decisive military action. Boycotting Halal certification is a total waste of time and only hurts local producers.
If you advocate for the prevention of Mosque construction then to avoid the charge of overt discrimination, no new temples or churches should be built. While a highly desirable outcome, it's wishful thinking. It's not the building that's the problem, it what is taught inside.
Every society harboring radical Islamists has a serious problem. France did not create this problem, Islamists did.
On one hand you condemn the massacre and on the other you think some of the victims are more deserving of compassion and sympathy than others based on their occupation. They are ALL innocent victims, clearly something you fail to comprehend and yes your comments sound callous and insensitive and they are. Your attitude reminds me of those who criticized the Jews for not leaving Europe quickly enough when the Nazi's started to persecute them based on the notion that they should have seen what was coming. Hence the victims are at fault as they should have anticipated the violent actions of the perpetrators and been intimidated into action.
Ah, the slippery slope argument for censorship of those who might offend others belief in imaginary God's and their false prophets. Sam Harris says it best...
Re-education camps like we have in North Korea perhaps. This is nothing more than totalitarian excrement masquarading as a reasonable proposition.
Free speech is exploited every day on the internet and cartoonists who avoid mocking the bad ideas embodied in religions like Islam are cowards.
... Who knows, there might even be some really intelligent life forms possible.
Free speech is exploited every day on the internet and cartoonists who avoid mocking the bad ideas embodied in religions like Islam are cowards.
.PROTESTERS around the West, horrified by the massacre in Paris, have held up pens and chanted “Je suis Charlie” — I am Charlie.
They lie. The Islamist terrorists are winning, and the coordinated attacks on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and kosher shop will be just one more success. One more step to our gutless surrender.
Al-Qaeda in Yemen didn’t attack Charlie Hebdo because we are all Charlie Hebdo.
The opposite. It sent in the brothers Cherif and Said Kouachi because Charlie Hebdo was almost alone.
Unlike most politicians, journalists, lawyers and other members of our ruling classes, this fearless magazine dared to mock Islam in the way the Left routinely mocks Christianity. Unlike much of our ruling class, it refused to sell out our freedom to speak.
Its greatest sin — to the Islamists — was to republish the infamous cartoons of Denmark’s Jyllands-Posten which mocked Mohammed, and then to publish even more of its own, including one showing the Muslim prophet naked.
Are we really all Charlie? No, no and shamefully no.
No Australian newspaper dared published those pictures, too, bar one which did so in error.
The Obama administration three years ago even attacked Charlie Hebdo for publishing the naked Mohammed cartoon, saying it was “deeply offensive”.
President Barack Obama even told the United Nations “the future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam” and damned a YouTube clip “Innocence of Muslims” which did just that. The filmmaker was thrown in jail
So do I. The problem is that there is no hierarchy in Islam as there is in say the Catholic church. It all depends on the local mullahs and what their attitude is.
Keeping track of the local Muslim leaders and what they teach their adherents is essential. Then you also have the problem of radicalisation via Internet. Surely the most violent jihadist sites could be blocked, but then people use VPN's to spread child pornography so supposedly the jihadists do the same.
Difficult situation that requires international cooperation.
There is no hierarchy in Christianity as a whole either, I mean certain sects and cults like the Catholic Church have a hierarchy within their little ecosystem, but there are thousands and thousands of cults based on Christian mythology.
Eg, the catholic cult hierarchy has no sway over what the, Mormans do in their cult etc.
Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible.
This proposal might be a bit rough around the edges but given the horrors inflicted on Western Civilizations by these fanatics and their refusal to respect the dignity of human life we have to defend ourselves as best we can.
There would be some people on this forum who would think you are serious and I see them saluting right now.
Yes, some really excellent ideas there from Basilio.
I would add to the list the idea of bringing back internment camps for all those living in our midst who are adherents to Islam – i.e. akin to Australia’s World War 2 camps that interned thousands of men, women and children who were considered to be enemy aliens.
Well done Bintang. I knew i wouldn't be disappointed. But just to refine your idea.
Building, paying for and guarding internment camps is probably far too costly and unwieldly. A more modern and cost effective solution would be designating particular suburbs for the true believers and ensuring all such people are safely housed in these areas.
A decent perimeter wall, searchlights and entry and exit checkpoints would ensure Security for everyone.
I believe some people call them ghettos but perhaps we should come up with a 21st Century name in case people get the wrong idea. ?
Cost, of course was one of the main excuses Neville chamberlain used in the 1930's to reject Winston Churchill's calls for the re-arming of Britain.
Nonetheless Basilio, keep going with the suggestions. I like them.
How about psychodelic truth serum implanted into all Halal food that when consumed convinces the eater to immediately go to the police and confess their sins ?
True, but there is a hierarchy within the Mormon church and most of the other offshoots of Christianity, eg the Archbishop of Canterbury is head of the CofE (or is it the Queen?), anyway someone is responsible for policy and administration of that entire sect, but with Islam it's less concentrated as the Imam's do their own thing as far as interpretation of the Koran goes.
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