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What about our sacred values?A spokesman for Hizb ut-Tahrir likened Abbott’s comments to being asked to “discard the sacredness of our values”.
I very rarely agree with Tony Abbott, but on this subject, I am totally on his side:
Can he stop dissent the same way he stopped the boats?
What about our sacred values?
Freedom of Speech in Sweden - Muslim Style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-...r_detailpage&x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=g0sRmpvdIIk
I'd be offended too and I'm not Muslim.
I'd be offended too and I'm not Muslim.
You have the right to be offended, But you don't have the right to react violently.
they should have just stood up and left.
I don't want to see homosexual males at it, nor do I want to see ugly women lesbians going at it
Then don't watch it.
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yeah but if you are invited or otherwise to have a mature conflab about something that portends to be socially acceptable by even normal western social standards, discuss something prickly, to find that you have been tricked into a trap is going to get anyone's dander up.
The whole exercise was designed to anger and offend, with no mollifying offset. A true discussion would have presets and warnings, with an agenda that was clear to the participants.
Let me give you by way of explanation example:
When Independence Day the movie came out in 1996 I treated my wife and children (13 and 11) to share a viewing on father's day. I'm no prude, but one thing I wanted for my kids was a solid, traditional I guess, grounding in knowing their mum and dad believed in basic decency role modelling (thus shooting aliens and rooting for the USA as the good guys who save the world). So when the Bond's (under new ownership) add comes on with women sticking tongues down each other's throats and near naked men cavorting with each other and I'm trapped in row of chairs (just like the Muslim and his kid in that clip we are talking about) I was stupified and angry; as were many other adults as it turned out with the theatre admitting I was not the only irate father on the day and the Bonds Ad had been pulled as a consequence .....my wife boycotted Bonds from then on and I refuse to buy their stuff to this day.
Because the nearest things to the missing link writhe around semi naked in music videos clips and facebook is filled with schlock, base humour and depraved mischief doesn't make it right and because Islamists don't like the vulgarity and disrespect of the actions of the few doesn't mean I should take a binary view in place of an analogue of ideals. I should be afforded decency of knowing I would be offended before I am to be ridiculed via shock videos for my moral code, just like movies and television shows must show a rating that represents current (majority) social ratings.
you can walk out, you can boycott the company etc, but acting violently in response to something that is non violent is simply wrong.
No one here is going to disagree with that, but that doesn't disguise the fact that some people set out to be deliberately provocative.
We have a right to ask whether they really achieve anything worthwhile by doing do, apart from demonstrating that they can do these things.
So, do you think people should be deliberately offensive just because they can be, or should we all exercise some restraint in the name of good manners ?
No one here is going to disagree with that, but that doesn't disguise the fact that some people set out to be deliberately provocative.
We have a right to ask whether they really achieve anything worthwhile by doing do, apart from demonstrating that they can do these things.
So, do you think people should be deliberately offensive just because they can be, or should we all exercise some restraint in the name of good manners ?
It depends what it is that your protesting, some people think a woman walking down the street without a burqa is provocative, I think if a group of woman protested laws that force them to wear burqas by walking down the street without one then that would be a good thing, though others would consider in bad manners.
Some ideas need to be protested and laughed at, even at the risk of being provocative, and even if its only to demonstrate that we have the right to do things, regardless of what some one else's superstitious religion says.
I certainly agree that ideas should be challenged, but what about cartoons of religious figures in obscene poses etc ?
If we are going to have a debate about religion, then let's make it an intelligent one, we don't need gratuitous denigration imo.
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Let me give you by way of explanation example:
When Independence Day the movie came out in 1996 I treated my wife and children (13 and 11) to share a viewing on father's day. I'm no prude, but one thing I wanted for my kids was a solid, traditional I guess, grounding in knowing their mum and dad believed in basic decency role modelling (thus shooting aliens and rooting for the USA as the good guys who save the world). So when the Bond's (under new ownership) add comes on with women sticking tongues down each other's throats and near naked men cavorting with each other and I'm trapped in row of chairs (just like the Muslim and his kid in that clip we are talking about) I was stupified and angry; as were many other adults as it turned out with the theatre admitting I was not the only irate father on the day and the Bonds Ad had been pulled as a consequence .....my wife boycotted Bonds from then on and I refuse to buy their stuff to this day.
Because the nearest things to the missing link writhe around semi naked in music videos clips and facebook is filled with schlock, base humour and depraved mischief doesn't make it right and because Islamists don't like the vulgarity and disrespect of the actions of the few doesn't mean I should take a binary view in place of an analogue of ideals. I should be afforded decency of knowing I would be offended before I am to be ridiculed via shock videos for my moral code, just like movies and television shows must show a rating that represents current (majority) social ratings.
I don't think people should be taken to Court for expressing an opinion.
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