The Turnbull Government

Almost forgot ...congratulations to Josh Frydenberg on becoming to the Liberal Party what Bill Shorten was to the Labor Party during Rudd/Gillard era .... that's gotta get up Chris Pyne's goat.

Tisme said:

Which LIBS are we talking about?:-

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The Conservative Right who are still pretty powerful. Bernadi et al. Their Machievellian minds would probably just regard Turnbull as the means to an end, to get them back in power, and somewhere in the wings a new Tony Abbott lurks.

I hold high hopes for Turnbull. Let's see how it turns out.

McLovin said:

I hold high hopes for Turnbull. Let's see how it turns out.

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MT is certainly more cautious with his words and decisions than TA; "Engage Brain before opening Mouth." That should lessen the chance of his suffering from foot-in-mouth disease. Hopefully, it will also rub off on his front bench colleagues - assuming he finds a suitable bunch that manage to avoid gaffes and don't offend other countries' representatives.

I'll give Malcolm the benefit - at least until the next Elections.

pixel said:

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MT is certainly more cautious with his words and decisions than TA; "Engage Brain before opening Mouth." That should lessen the chance of his suffering from foot-in-mouth disease. Hopefully, it will also rub off on his front bench colleagues - assuming he finds a suitable bunch that manage to avoid gaffes and don't offend other countries' representatives.

I'll give Malcolm the benefit - at least until the next Elections.

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One of the things Mal might be able to do is slow down the media. At the moment they make pollies jump through hoops everyday, constantly asking them to rule things in or out. Paul Keating was asked a few months ago about whether you could lead in a 24h media cycle world and he said (my paraphrasing) of course, come up with good policy and the journos will need half a day to understand it, so they won't be sitting around waiting for some non-story to blow out of proportion.

pixel said:

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MT is certainly more cautious with his words and decisions than TA; "Engage Brain before opening Mouth." That should lessen the chance of his suffering from foot-in-mouth disease. Hopefully, it will also rub off on his front bench colleagues - assuming he finds a suitable bunch that manage to avoid gaffes and don't offend other countries' representatives.

I'll give Malcolm the benefit - at least until the next Elections.

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Not so with the Gordon Greich gaff when Rudd was PM.

Tisme said:

or the inconsequential party loyals who will vote for a pig with lipstick and a tutu, so long as it has a blue riband around its neck and a placard similar to "Ditch the Witch"......all class.

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Too good to not repeat. Anyway, came here to propose a new flag for Australia

The thing I liked about MT was the way he handles the press. No nonsense and he wont take any crap during being questioned. None of this ... er er ah ah, let me just say this BS. No stuttering and not being talked over by the journo hacks trying to put words in his mouth.

Remember?

For the first tie in a very long time I actually feel good about our leader, I think Malcolm will be at the helm for a long time. It's a good day.

Chris Uhlmann said 3 people have to go if Australian politics is to get back on track, Gillard, Rudd and Abbott, he was right.

sinner said:

Too good to not repeat. Anyway, came here to propose a new flag for Australia

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I thought you might have placed a hammer and sickle instead.

noco said:

Just get barnacle Bill to agree to the CHAFTA.....that is where the jobs will come from but Bill does not care about our Mums and Dads and jobs.....Bill is a job destroyer....Bill is just a political point scorer...His initials BS explains Bill well.

Any way Bill will be next to face the chopping block.

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So Noco, exactly how many jobs are forecast to be bequeathed to the Australian economy?

What seems to be the hidden message in the deal is the major benefits to Australia are via cheaper imports. That doesn't sound very jobs creating to me.

I will be interested to see what you can dig up from behind the veil of Govt secrecy.

Malcolm Turnbull's polling high point,

New Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has received an immediate bounce in the polls after ousting Tony Abbott.

A snap Morgan poll taken this afternoon on who Australian voters regard as the better PM has found Mr Turnbull is preferred by 70 per cent of voters compared to 24 per cent for Bill Shorten.

“Australian electors have given a massive mandate to new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull on his first day as PM,’’ said pollster Gary Morgan who conducted the special Snap SMS poll of 1204 voters.

“Turnbull leads clearly amongst both genders, across all States and Territories and leads Shorten across supporters of both major parties.

“LNP supporters have given Turnbull a huge show of support: Turnbull 86 per cent; Shorten 7 per cent. Even more remarkably, a majority of ALP supporters say Turnbull is the Better PM: Turnbull 50 per cent; ALP Leader Shorten 44 per cent.

“Greens supporters have also swung behind the new Prime Minister: Turnbull 57 per cent; Shorten 38 per cent.’’

Mr Morgan said the result “places immediate pressure” on Mr Shorten over the coming few days as electors in the West Australian seat of Canning get set to cast their vote on Australia’s new Turnbull-led Government.

“The Coalition should ‘walk it in’ in the Canning byelection,’’ he said.

“The new Malcolm Turnbull-led Government must now tell the electorate how they will reverse the recent decline in Australia’s GDP growth."

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I'd suggest in that there's a significant element of expectation that Mal will be the best Labor/Green PM Australia ever has.

Managing that expectation is going to be a significant task in itself.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...528934171?sv=abc71b399de1b502550c945756911844

So_Cynical said:

You're taking this well Doc?

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One has to be pragmatic when it comes to politics.

I still have some doubts about Malcolm stemming from his time as opposition leader and from that under Tony Abbott, he wasn't always as loyal as he could have been. He did on occasion at the very least engage in the more subtle forms of disloyalty.

While in my view, the Abbott government was far better than the Rudd/Gillard administrations the preceded his, but it and him as PM in particular weren't good enough. The voting public as a whole I'd suggest demand higher standards from the Coalition in its natural area of strengths when compared to Labor in the same portfolio's. Perhaps that's a product of satisfying the social conscience, some of which is misguided.

Malcolm will have a number of challenges.

1) Reuniting the party after the coup.

This looks like it will be easier than it was in Labor after Gillard knocked of Rudd. I note that at question time at least, there were no resignations from the front bench.

2) Managing public expectations.

This will be a biggie. I suspect the above Morgan poll will be a high point as on those numbers, almost everyone expects him to he everything. At some point, some of that 70% preferred PM support will be disappointed.

3) Politics.

Articulating the case is all well and good but he has to have learned that politics is not like the board of a company where all in the room are trying to achieve a common goal. The parliamentary chamber is very different. The alternative is trying to beat you and I wonder how well he understood that when formally opposition leader. He has to get the balance between articulation of ideas and the politics right.

As for TA, he, put simply, wasn't good enough to survive as PM. Too much political animal there. His prime-ministership may have fared much better if MT was treasurer as their individual political characteristics may have been a counter balance to the other.

TA was also loyal to his party supporters to a fault and that was reflected in the overall quality of his front bench and original speaker.

Malcolm's great assets are that he's had a broader life experience than a pure career politician and is an articulate public speaker. He has the potential at least to be a great PM.

sydboy007 said:

So Noco, exactly how many jobs are forecast to be bequeathed to the Australian economy?

What seems to be the hidden message in the deal is the major benefits to Australia are via cheaper imports. That doesn't sound very jobs creating to me.

I will be interested to see what you can dig up from behind the veil of Govt secrecy.

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There will be tousands and tousands of jobs, don't you worry about dat.

The real challenge for Turnbull will be to overcome those forces that have highjacked the Liberal party, the fundamentalist and extremist christian nuts being the most dangerous to him. The Tea party style super-drys are also deeply embedded in what used to be a party of real 'liberals'. Both groups will be full of spite and revenge so it will take some real statesmanship and leadship to purge their influence.

His other great danger is the previous government's Goebbels, Minister of Propoganda, Rupert Murdoch and his minions. We have already seen the bias, poison, vitriol, bile and outright visciousness they are capable of, they are also probably harder to deal with than the enemies within the party.

I hope for australia's sake he can pull it off. Maybe if the ALP can get rid of Little Bill as well then there is the potential for some real bipartisan government between the 3 major parties.

Giving water policy to the Nationals is like giving a gamekeeper role to the poachers.

It's bad news for the long term sustainability of the river systems.

As a former Water Minister, I hope Malcolm choked somewhat over that.

noco said:

There will be tousands and tousands of jobs, don't you worry about dat.

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Seriously. We're to take it on faith that if you sign the FTA the jobs will come.

Sorry Noco. That might work well on your flock of neconservative worshippers, but I'm a bit more of a realist than that.

From what I've read the 3 FTAs with North Asia are estimate to not even create 10000 jobs a year between them. Considering that employment stats can jump around more than 1000 month to month it will be nearly impossible to determine exactly what impact these agreements have.

Even more concerning, is the fact that Chinese businesses can negotiate “concessions” with the Department of Immigration and that these will be stipulated as a term of a private contract between the two parties and not be on the public record. This allows the Executive arm of government enormous discretion in the making of these arrangements, with limited opportunity for transparency and public accountability.

Still on the topic of transparency, the ChAFTA has also allowed the Executive arm of government to sign an agreement with a foreign government that goes against the parliament’s wishes in 2013 that Australia’s temporary migrant worker programme include employer-conducted labour market testing.

This requirement, approved of by the Australian parliament, has been circumvented through the ChAFTA as Chinese businesses will not have to prove that there are no local workers available to perform an occupation prior to the hiring of a Chinese worker.

To me it's asking to be colonised.

noco said:

There will be tousands and tousands of jobs, don't you worry about dat.

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For Chinese workers, yes.

sydboy007 said:

Seriously. We're to take it on faith that if you sign the FTA the jobs will come.

Sorry Noco. That might work well on your flock of neconservative worshippers, but I'm a bit more of a realist than that.

From what I've read the 3 FTAs with North Asia are estimate to not even create 10000 jobs a year between them. Considering that employment stats can jump around more than 1000 month to month it will be nearly impossible to determine exactly what impact these agreements have.

Even more concerning, is the fact that Chinese businesses can negotiate “concessions” with the Department of Immigration and that these will be stipulated as a term of a private contract between the two parties and not be on the public record. This allows the Executive arm of government enormous discretion in the making of these arrangements, with limited opportunity for transparency and public accountability.

Still on the topic of transparency, the ChAFTA has also allowed the Executive arm of government to sign an agreement with a foreign government that goes against the parliament’s wishes in 2013 that Australia’s temporary migrant worker programme include employer-conducted labour market testing.

This requirement, approved of by the Australian parliament, has been circumvented through the ChAFTA as Chinese businesses will not have to prove that there are no local workers available to perform an occupation prior to the hiring of a Chinese worker.

To me it's asking to be colonised.

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Sydboy, you and Rumpy are pessimists and wishful thinkers that the CHAFTA will fail....Stop running with your comrades in the CFMEU.....There are some very bad people in the CFMEU as the TURC is finding out....Do you both like mixing with bad people?

You have to take a leaf out of the books of Andrews, Whetheral, Foley, Palaszxzuk, Bob Hake, Bob Carr, Simon Crean and that famous union leader Martin Ferguson....They can all see the benefits.

Are all these staunch true Labor men all wrong and you, the CFMEU and barnacle Bill right?

Give in fellows...you are losing the battle.