The only thing required for evil to succeed...

visual · 4 August 2006

Exactly,thats why I take everything I read and see with a grain of salt.
Have to tell you though its very annoying not being able to trust anybody.Plus its getting to be very tiring ,all these normal reactions having to be suppressed because ,in all probability you are being taken for a ride by someone who is actually relying on those emotions.

visual · 7 August 2006

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2006/08/qana-directors-cut.html

Would I agree to the death penalty under these circumstances,YES.
These people deserve every bomb Israel can throw at them,I truly hope that there is a heaven with a loving God in heaven because these innocent victims truly deserve to be there.

noirua · 7 August 2006

I can't solve the worlds problems, only try to write a few poems and songs. As my old mate says: Denis we are but grains of sand. - Denis Kevans, poet and writer.

the_godfather4 · 7 August 2006

visual said:
http://www.break.com/index/what_really_happens_pallywood.html

I wonder how much of what we are seeing falls under the pallywood tag,

I must agree that its pretty irritating stuff

Not sure if anyone has seen that movie "Wag the Dog" with Robert DeNiro & Dustin Hoffman......deals with just this sort of thing (highly recommended)

Its a sad fact of life that the viewing public can be manipulated so easily.....I suppose it all comes down to who has the biggest budget and biggest audience

It's Snake Pliskin · 8 August 2006

For the Hezbollah sympathisers:

"The Christian Lebanese website LIBANOSCOPIE has charged that Hizballah staged the entire incident in order to stimulate calls for a ceasefire, thereby staving off its destruction by Israel and Lebanese plans to rid themselves of this terrorist plague: “We have it from a credible source that Hizbullah, alarmed by Siniora’s plan, has concocted an incident that would help thwart the negotiations. Knowing full well that Israel will not hesitate to bombard civilian targets, Hizbullah gunmen placed a rocket launcher on the roof in Qana and brought disabled children inside, in a bid to provoke a response by the Israeli Air Force. In this way, they were planning to take advantage of the death of innocents and curtail the negotiation initiative.”

http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/1691-Evidence-Mounts-that-Kana-Massacre-Was-a-Fake.html

"Hide behind skirts and children" go hezzies!

wayneL · 8 August 2006

Snake Pliskin said:
For the Hezbollah sympathisers:

Snake

I don't see any evidence of hezbollah sympathizers here in spite of accusations to the contrary.

Tarring Israel with the same brush as Hezbollah does not imply support for Hezbollah. Those who have been critical of Israel (including myself) have been careful to point that out. I personally have repeated ad nauseum that there are no white hats; both sides are terrorists. I cannot get any clearer than that, and nor can anyone else

Refusing to fall for western propaganda does not imply support for Hezbollah either.

However, I wonder about the emotional state of those whose support for Israel is explicit in rejecting Hezbollah, without rational analysis of the actions of the former... tribalistic nonsense appropriate for soccer games, but not when it come to the obliteration of countries and poulations.

Some here will not be happy unless there is complete support for Isreal to perform a comprehensive genocide of every moselm on planet earth. (pardon the hyberbole) Sad stuff.

Now, of course you may hold those views if you wish, this is still a free country for a little while longer. But it would be appreciated if there is respect for other points of view as well an what is a stock trading forum.

There is plenty of scope to really get into these issues on other political forums and I invite you to do so there.

Cheers

noirua · 8 August 2006

The following link gives some idea of how it was having to live amongst the bombs: http://www.1940.co.uk/history/sound/sound.htm

visual · 8 August 2006

wayneL said:
However, I wonder about the emotional state of those whose support for Israel is explicit in rejecting Hezbollah, without rational analysis of the actions of the former... tribalistic nonsense appropriate for soccer games, but not when it come to the obliteration of countries and poulations.

Some here will not be happy unless there is complete support for Isreal to perform a comprehensive genocide of every moselm on planet earth. (pardon the hyberbole) Sad stuff.

Now, of course you may hold those views if you wish, this is still a free country for a little while longer. But it would be appreciated if there is respect for other points of view as well an what is a stock trading forum.

There is plenty of scope to really get into these issues on other political forums and I invite you to do so there.

Cheers

Wayne,
did you watch four corners last night?
the story of the sixteen year old Iranian girl ,hanged for crimes against chastity,we called these rape.
No where in that report did you even get the feeling that especially women had a breathing space.
So I find it to put it mildly,interesting that in the west there are so many people fighting for these subhumans to get a foot hold anywhere else.I don`t think genocide is the answer,however muslims are quite happy and willing to use their own people for shredding ,therefore create their own genocide if need be to attain whatever their aim is.And their aim is not a very nice one,especially for women.

Inside these countries,everyday people are fighting for some breathing space,yet in the west we tell them these lack of fredooms that we take for granted are not part of their culture .I constantly get the idea that if they could be heard on the same scale as us they would disagree loudly.

So Wayne what are the chances that even in south lebanon you haven`t got people screaming whatever it takes,get these bastards out of our lifes.

Today for example Dean Jones was sacked to calling a devout muslim a terrorist,I`m not condoning that type of behaviour but Wayne when was the last time that a muslim was sacked or replaced or apologised for saying horrible things about us,what you get are lies and "oh,I was misintrepeted"
rubbish and of course they trot out the true and tried islam is a religion of peace,unless of course you are American or Jewish,or Christian or whatever.

noirua · 8 August 2006

kitehigh said:
I don't know where you got your info in regards to the aircraft boming lebanon, refueling at Glasgow. Thats just sounds plain wrong. Israel doesn't have long range strategic bombers. I think you have it mixed up with the transport planes that are flying in the smart bombs from America on route to Israel.
It is a crazy world though that we live in, where one country gives aid with one hand to ease the pain and suffering and then supplies the weapons to the other country to bring about the same that very same suffering.

The following Link in the Scottish Sunday Mail shows that Israel's aircraft refuelled at Glasgow Prestwick Airport: http://www.Sundaymail.co.uk/news/tm...&headline=exclusive--bombshell-name_page.html

It's Snake Pliskin · 8 August 2006

wayneL said:
Snake

I don't see any evidence of hezbollah sympathizers here in spite of accusations to the contrary.

Tarring Israel with the same brush as Hezbollah does not imply support for Hezbollah. Those who have been critical of Israel (including myself) have been careful to point that out. I personally have repeated ad nauseum that there are no white hats; both sides are terrorists. I cannot get any clearer than that, and nor can anyone else

Refusing to fall for western propaganda does not imply support for Hezbollah either.

However, I wonder about the emotional state of those whose support for Israel is explicit in rejecting Hezbollah, without rational analysis of the actions of the former... tribalistic nonsense appropriate for soccer games, but not when it come to the obliteration of countries and poulations.

Some here will not be happy unless there is complete support for Isreal to perform a comprehensive genocide of every moselm on planet earth. (pardon the hyberbole) Sad stuff.

Now, of course you may hold those views if you wish, this is still a free country for a little while longer. But it would be appreciated if there is respect for other points of view as well an what is a stock trading forum.

There is plenty of scope to really get into these issues on other political forums and I invite you to do so there.

Cheers

Well it is loud and clear that I cannot have an opinion, or simply post a link, according to WL. As I have stated before opinions are fine. Indirectcly I addressed the post to Hezbollah sympathisers, not directly to anyone on the forum. If I had done I would have named names.

Yes tribalistic nonsense is what the west is dealing with.

Propaganda? Believe what you will. It`s coming from the Hezzies too.

Now Wayne, your post indicates that I may like the genocide of every moselom on Earth. That is wrong and represents what I don`t. Take care in your comments, and I trust you won`t slip again; is that clear?

So general chat is now restricted in its content? Though you a moderator continuously post political threads. :bowdown: Hmmm....

It's Snake Pliskin · 8 August 2006

visual said:
Wayne,
did you watch four corners last night?
the story of the sixteen year old Iranian girl ,hanged for crimes against chastity,we called these rape.
No where in that report did you even get the feeling that especially women had a breathing space.
So I find it to put it mildly,interesting that in the west there are so many people fighting for these subhumans to get a foot hold anywhere else.I don`t think genocide is the answer,however muslims are quite happy and willing to use their own people for shredding ,therefore create their own genocide if need be to attain whatever their aim is.And their aim is not a very nice one,especially for women.

Inside these countries,everyday people are fighting for some breathing space,yet in the west we tell them these lack of fredooms that we take for granted are not part of their culture .I constantly get the idea that if they could be heard on the same scale as us they would disagree loudly.

So Wayne what are the chances that even in south lebanon you haven`t got people screaming whatever it takes,get these bastards out of our lifes.

Today for example Dean Jones was sacked to calling a devout muslim a terrorist,I`m not condoning that type of behaviour but Wayne when was the last time that a muslim was sacked or replaced or apologised for saying horrible things about us,what you get are lies and "oh,I was misintrepeted"
rubbish and of course they trot out the true and tried islam is a religion of peace,unless of course you are American or Jewish,or Christian or whatever.

Visual,

Thanks for that material. Those in denial don`t realise this.

Islamic thinking and western thinking don`t mix or are not translatable. When most understand this, they will be on their way to understanding the enemy better. Take this for example:

“Lying is forbidden unless it is for necessity. In that case, the principle “necessity makes the unlawful permissible” applies. (…) Some of these acceptable lies is what we call connotation, a word carrying a double meaning. The Muslim may use the positive not the negative interpretation of the word.”

Robert Spencer , who gives examples of this in his book “Onward Muslim Soldiers,” confirms this:

“Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them” (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to “guard yourselves from them”: pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if “believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers,” they may “show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly.”

...from the islamic dictionary for infidels.

wayneL · 8 August 2006

Snake Pliskin said:
Well it is loud and clear that I cannot have an opinion, or simply post a link, according to WL. As I have stated before opinions are fine. Indirectcly I addressed the post to Hezbollah sympathisers, not directly to anyone on the forum. If I had done I would have named names.

Yes tribalistic nonsense is what the west is dealing with.

Propaganda? Believe what you will. It`s coming from the Hezzies too.

Now Wayne, your post indicates that I may like the genocide of every moselom on Earth. That is wrong and represents what I don`t. Take care in your comments, and I trust you won`t slip again; is that clear?

So general chat is now restricted in its content? Though you a moderator continuously post political threads. :bowdown: Hmmm....

Bullsh!t Snake

I have not moderated any political threads except when there is palpable condescension based on misrepresentation of what is said. Are not ALL your posts intact? Give me a break!!!

That your post was indeed like I describe above is not a debatable point, so lay off. DO NOT MISREPRESENT WAHAT I SAY! IS THAT CLEAR?

I trust you won`t slip again

Ageo · 8 August 2006

uh oh the bear is getting angry!

swingstar · 8 August 2006

Ageo said:
uh oh the bear is getting angry!

Today's silly 50 point hike is certainly disappointing.

wayneL · 8 August 2006

Ageo said:
uh oh the bear is getting angry!

Do you have something to add or just more schoolyard BS?

Ageo · 8 August 2006

wayneL said:
Do you have something to add or just more schoolyard BS?

lol sorry wayne, just **** stirring.

It's Snake Pliskin · 9 August 2006

Wayne,

Please don`t get too stressed.

I have not moderated any political threads except when there is palpable condescension based on misrepresentation of what is said. Are not ALL your posts intact? Give me a break!!!

Your moderation is not in question.

That your post was indeed like I describe above is not a debatable point, so lay off. DO NOT MISREPRESENT WAHAT I SAY! IS THAT CLEAR?

I`ll address pertinent points of interest relevant to me or the thread in question compliant with the code of conduct. For the record I never intentionally misrepresent content.

Thanks
Pliskin

wayneL · 9 August 2006

Snake Pliskin said:
I`ll address pertinent points of interest relevant to me or the thread in question compliant with the code of conduct. For the record I never intentionally misrepresent content.

Thanks
Pliskin

That's fair enough Snake. Continue on.

Cheers

Bobby · 9 August 2006

wayneL said:
That's fair enough Snake. Continue on.

Cheers

Wayne you & the Snake are dear to me, if a third party had attacked either of you with something I didn't agree, then they would suffer my fury.

Take Care - Both of you.
Bob.

It's Snake Pliskin · 9 August 2006

Bobby said:
Wayne you & the Snake are dear to me, if a third party had attacked either of you with something I didn't agree, then they would suffer my fury.

Take Care - Both of you.
Bob.

I must admit Bob`s posts do brighten my day.

You take care too Bob, and Wayne.

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