The Gillard Government

[Ves]

A quick search revealed this,

http://www.une.edu.au/business-school/working-papers/economics/econwp11-2.pdf

Am I correct in saying that the conclusion that this report reaches is that the carbon tax will have a minimal or neglible impact on the economy in the first few years?

It is a pretty technical report in any sense and I admit some of it is beyond my simpleton reckoning. Any other comments?

32 pages was pretty heavy reading for a Saturday night, but I got through it in one piece.

Thanks for the link.

 

[drsmith]

32 pages was pretty heavy reading for a Saturday night, but I got through it in one piece.

You did better than me on a Saturday night.

I glanced at some of it quickly, but haven't read it.

I was really just pointing out that their's information around.

 

[Ves]

You did better than me.

I glanced at some of it quickly, but haven't read it.

I was really just pointing out that their's information around.

It's actually really hard to find much decent information, in my experience. I guess that's what happens when you introduce a tax that is very hard for anyone that isn't a specialised taxation analyst to be able to comprehend at anything beyond a basic level. This tax fails the one of the principles of a good tax system - understandability!

Oh well, I have had a go at researching it.

 

[drsmith]

This tax fails the one of the principles of a good tax system - understandability!

As does many of our taxes, but that's another rant for another day.

An exception to this though is the MRRT. At face value, it's easy to understand. It doesn't raise anything.

 

[sptrawler]

It's actually really hard to find much decent information, in my experience. I guess that's what happens when you introduce a tax that is very hard for anyone that isn't a specialised taxation analyst to be able to comprehend at anything beyond a basic level. This tax fails the one of the principles of a good tax system - understandability!

Oh well, I have had a go at researching it.

Actually as a tax per sae, I'm not against it. It will encourage people to use electricity more frugally.
The problem with it is the impost it causes on manufacturing.
I know they are supposedly being compensated, but how do the energy dependant manufacturing companies get finance?
Why wouldn't an intellegent government wait and enter into a global scheme. It is just dumb.
It screams of an inferiority complex, from insecure people, screaming "look at me, look at me".
Just sad, very sad, at our expense.

This is underlined by the way they are wetting themselves about getting on the U.N security council.
Huge inferiority complex, no goals, no self esteme, no principals, just sad.

 

[moXJO]

It's actually really hard to find much decent information, in my experience. I guess that's what happens when you introduce a tax that is very hard for anyone that isn't a specialised taxation analyst to be able to comprehend at anything beyond a basic level. This tax fails the one of the principles of a good tax system - understandability!

Oh well, I have had a go at researching it.

This is a major gripe with this govt, business is left in the dark with measures forced upon it with no real structure. Ber, solar and pink batts were all this policy on the run and sent a lot of business to the wall. You need a lot of info to factor in your costs or you are just bumbling round in the dark waiting for the surprise.

I noticed employers may soon be hit for money because employees are not given enough varied work. Here is the trend Im already seeing, big business paying 'go away' money as was the case in the 90's and small business reducing down to become sole traders.
Business will not be kind to labor come election time.

 

[drsmith]

Maxine McKew with her book is doing her best to reopen old wounds.

FOLLOWING the 2007 election I had always said that Julia [Gillard] would be the next Labor PM after myself.

I said that because I believed she would make a first-class prime minister following a period in office with engagement on the economic and national security agendas.

I had also told her and other cabinet and caucus colleagues that she would have my full support in achieving that ambition. I also said to her in early 2010 I had no intention of breaking the record book for being the longest-serving Labor prime minister and that my ambition was to have a seamless transition to her.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...litical-trenches/story-e6freuy9-1226504567414

Former Labor leader Simon Crean declaring it was "a mistake" to dump Mr Rudd as leader but warning MPs "we can't change again".

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...-leadership-coup/story-fndo317g-1226504567073

 

[DB008]

Anyone catch 'The Bolt Report' this morning (well, as far as l know, it was todays episode on Channel 10). Was interesting. Swan was picked apart by Costello and made to look like a world class idiot.

 

[Miss Hale]

Anyone catch 'The Bolt Report' this morning (well, as far as l know, it was todays episode on Channel 10). Was interesting. Swan was picked apart by Costello and made to look like a world class idiot.

Yes I saw it. I also liked the comment from Judith Sloan when asked about Swan's 'savings' in the budget. She suggested he might have to contact the Macquarie dictionary for a new definition of savings

 

[DocK]

I must have missed that. What did she do?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national-old/liberal-mp-julie-bishop-perfects-alarming-death-stare-on-the-chasers-yes-we-canberra/story-fn5z3z83-1225898124855

 

[Julia]

Thanks, DocK. Yes, I remember it now.

 

[Knobby22]

I don't hold much truck with Bolt but really there is no excuse for Labor not producing a surplus this year.

The fact they are over reliant on cutting defence spending and using smoke and mirrors does not serve them well.
If they can't make the hard decisions, then they don't derserve to lead this country.

 

[drsmith]

I don't hold much truck with Bolt but really there is no excuse for Labor not producing a surplus this year.

A forecast on coal that won't help should it come to pass.

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3620138.htm

Andrew Bolt on his show today also commented that Labor's asylum failures have cost $6bn. While cutting back on middle class welfare such as the baby bonus is good in isolation, redirecting money to even more grotesque waste and mismanagement is obviously not.

 

[Calliope]

The gift that keeps on giving. Swan would really be in a hole if Roxon's war on smokers succeeded.

In the 2011-12 fiscal year, tobacco excise poured $5.45 billion into the parched coffers of the federal government.
Where mining super-profits and the dollar-sensitive exporters of morally uncontroversial products have failed us, tax-wise, the gaspers just keep on giving and giving. This might give you the ghost of an idea why they remain legal, despite the government's otherwise settled mask of hostility towards the dried, cut and commercially packaged leaves of the plant known to the scientific world as Nicotiana tabacum.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/socie...-dying-gasp-20121027-28c53.html#ixzz2AZPGEdnP

 

[DB008]

Anyone catch 'The Bolt Report' this morning (well, as far as l know, it was todays episode on Channel 10). Was interesting. Swan was picked apart by Costello and made to look like a world class idiot.

Channel 10 link

 

[So_Cynical]

Anyone catch 'The Bolt Report' this morning

I don't hold much truck with Bolt but really there is no excuse for Labor not producing a surplus this year.

http://www.abc.net.au/insiders/content/2012/s3620138.htm

Andrew Bolt on his show today

Channel 10 link

Are you guys insane?

After viewing anything Bolt related to will be in need of this site.

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?

 

[sptrawler]

After viewing anything Bolt related to will be in need of this site.

Pardon, what did you say?

 

[sails]

Are you guys insane?

After viewing anything Bolt related to will be in need of this site.

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?

Very funny...just as well that's in your opinion.

Bolt has a sizeable audience who will make up their own minds.

And no need to make a mockery of those who suffer depression either.

 

[wayneL]

Very funny...just as well that's in your opinion.

Bolt has a sizeable audience who will make up their own minds.

And no need to make a mockery of those who suffer depression either.

After all the carping about Abbotts die of shame comment, you would think the Labor Luvvies would avoid such tasteless comments.

 

[DB008]

Are you guys insane?

3 topics that Bolt mentioned yesterday and how the current Government has stuffed 'em up;

The Budget (and it's sad sorry state)
MRRT (not 1 cent collected. Money has already been spent from forecast)
Boats (still coming, $6 Billion cost so far)


Insane?

No.
I would argue that people who agree with what Gillard & Co are doing and supporting them, are insane...