The future of energy generation and storage

[qldfrog]

Where is the money coming from ?

And where is the money going to, more importantly

 

[qldfrog]

As a side info,,:

Truck carrying wind turbine collides with bridge closing major highway

A major Queensland highway has reopened after a truck carrying half of a wind turbine collided with a bridge on Friday.

www.abc.net.au

Had to drive around yesterday...
With such bright lights, i guess we'd better avoid nuclear in Australia

Not the ideal thread i know:
More on this bridge/wind turbine failed date

Damage bill expected to be 'tens of millions' after truck hits bridge

The damage bill from a truck crash on a major Queensland highway is expected to run into the tens of millions of dollars, and some warn it could happen again unless upgrades are fast-tracked.

www.abc.net.au

Just highlights in my view that the grid can not be seen independently:
It affects and is affected by our industrialisation decline, population growth, and infrastructure not limited to the transmission line.
This is the image of the whole Australia economy now and then.
Do you like the picture?

 

[qldfrog]

And as posted by Mr LeDuc
"Denmark Seeks to Attract Wind Investment. Having failed to attract any bids for its biggest ever offshore wind tender in late 2024, Denmark plans to launch its 2025 offering with two areas in the Danish North Sea, willing to dole out government subsidies for new developments worth $8.3 billion."
It is such a bargain this free wind power that only subsidies can hope to help it work.

Denmark sets up offshore wind tender with up to $8.3bn in subsidies - Splash247

The Danish government has revealed it would launch a 3GW offshore wind tender this autumn. The country also decided to support developers with two-sided contracts for difference after last year’s tender attracted no bids. The three tenders cover two areas in the Danish North Sea and one in the...

splash247.com

 

[SirRumpole]

Not the ideal thread i know:
More on this bridge/wind turbine failed date

Damage bill expected to be 'tens of millions' after truck hits bridge

The damage bill from a truck crash on a major Queensland highway is expected to run into the tens of millions of dollars, and some warn it could happen again unless upgrades are fast-tracked.

www.abc.net.au

Just highlights in my view that the grid can not be seen independently:
It affects and is affected by our industrialisation decline, population growth, and infrastructure not limited to the transmission line.
This is the image of the whole Australia economy now and then.
Do you like the picture?

If we can't manage wind turbines, how can we manage nuclear reactors ?

 

[qldfrog]

If we can't manage wind turbines, how can we manage nuclear reactors ?

Fully agree with you, we are not technically able anymore.you have read my opinion on nuclear before.
Just spend $500m getting irrefutable scientific proof that C02 is not causing any significant global warming and is actually a positive, then build coal and gas new plants to supplement rooftop solar, and wind if any private entity is ready to near the cost.

 

[qldfrog]

ready to near the cost.

Take the cost.

 

[sptrawler]

And as posted by Mr LeDuc
"Denmark Seeks to Attract Wind Investment. Having failed to attract any bids for its biggest ever offshore wind tender in late 2024, Denmark plans to launch its 2025 offering with two areas in the Danish North Sea, willing to dole out government subsidies for new developments worth $8.3 billion."
It is such a bargain this free wind power that only subsidies can hope to help it work.

Denmark sets up offshore wind tender with up to $8.3bn in subsidies - Splash247

The Danish government has revealed it would launch a 3GW offshore wind tender this autumn. The country also decided to support developers with two-sided contracts for difference after last year’s tender attracted no bids. The three tenders cover two areas in the Danish North Sea and one in the...

splash247.com

Interesting that they say they are going to use 20MW turbines, when the first 20MW wind turbine was only commissioned 8 months ago and it failed after two months.
It was due to high wind speeds, however with climate change more violent storms are predicted, therefore wind turbines will have to be made to cope.

Sept 2024

World's first 20MW offshore wind turbine installed in China

China's Mingyang Smart Energy has announced the successful installation of the MySE18.X-20MW—the world's largest offshore wind turbine.

esdnews.com.au

China’s Mingyang Smart Energy has announced the successful installation of its MySE18.X-20MW—the world’s largest single-capacity offshore wind turbine—in Hainan.

Named the 2023 Global Best Offshore Wind Turbine by Windpower Monthly, the MySE18.X-20MW boasts modular, lightweight design with flexible power up to 20MW and a wind rotor diameter of 260-292m.

December 2024

'Two blades break off' world's most powerful wind turbine in China

UPDATED| Giant prototype offshore wind turbine survived super typhoon but has reportedly succumbed to what appear to be multiple blade breaks this month

www.rechargenews.com

The world’s most powerful wind turbine, a 20MW giant manufactured by Mingyang, has reportedly suffered multiple blade breaks just months after the prototype machine was installed in China.

The blades on the MySE18.X-20MW prototype offshore model broke earlier this month, according to Chinese news reports.

 

[qldfrog]

Interesting that they say they are going to use 20MW turbines, when the first 20MW wind turbine was only commissioned 8 months ago and it failed after two months.
It was due to high wind speeds, however with climate change more violent storms are predicted, therefore wind turbines will have to be made to cope.

Sept 2024

World's first 20MW offshore wind turbine installed in China

China's Mingyang Smart Energy has announced the successful installation of the MySE18.X-20MW—the world's largest offshore wind turbine.

esdnews.com.au

China’s Mingyang Smart Energy has announced the successful installation of its MySE18.X-20MW—the world’s largest single-capacity offshore wind turbine—in Hainan.

Named the 2023 Global Best Offshore Wind Turbine by Windpower Monthly, the MySE18.X-20MW boasts modular, lightweight design with flexible power up to 20MW and a wind rotor diameter of 260-292m.

December 2024

'Two blades break off' world's most powerful wind turbine in China

UPDATED| Giant prototype offshore wind turbine survived super typhoon but has reportedly succumbed to what appear to be multiple blade breaks this month

www.rechargenews.com

The world’s most powerful wind turbine, a 20MW giant manufactured by Mingyang, has reportedly suffered multiple blade breaks just months after the prototype machine was installed in China.

The blades on the MySE18.X-20MW prototype offshore model broke earlier this month, according to Chinese news reports.

Probably why the ratepayers there will spend 8 billions for the privilege...

 

[sptrawler]

Home batteries apparently are having the same problem as V2G cars, people don't mind using the battery for their own consumption, but they aren't keen on buying it for someone else.

Can cheaper home batteries crack the VPP nut? Data shows consumers still "not interested" - One Step Off The Grid

New data reveals just how few solar and battery households are opting in to virtual power plants. Can government incentives change consumers' minds?

onestepoffthegrid.com.au

 

[qldfrog]

Home batteries apparently are having the same problem as V2G cars, people don't mind using the battery for their own consumption, but they aren't keen on buying it for someone else.

Can cheaper home batteries crack the VPP nut? Data shows consumers still "not interested" - One Step Off The Grid

New data reveals just how few solar and battery households are opting in to virtual power plants. Can government incentives change consumers' minds?

onestepoffthegrid.com.au

And you should have ended with:
Who could blame them....

 

[sptrawler]

If its not one thing, its another, tick tock.

Union considering legal action as further Snowy 2.0 strikes loom

The Australian Workers Union says it is looking at legal action over claims Snowy 2.0 workers were locked down during this week's strike action.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Sean K]

The future of Australian energy prices is looking pretty grim. I'm not sure how some medium to large scale businesses relying on the grid will cope. Maybe more subsidies?

 

[sptrawler]

It will be interesting to see where they source the gas from and how long it is before the Greens complain about the emissions from gas generation.

The more things change, the more they stay the same, at least it has been put into the arena, that fossil fuel is here to stay.

Maybe now they can get an actual plan in place, that gives certainty to the coal generators, as to how long they are required.

 

[SirRumpole]

It will be interesting to see where they source the gas from and how long it is before the Greens complain about the emissions from gas generation.

The more things change, the more they stay the same, at least it has been put into the arena, that fossil fuel is here to stay.

Maybe now they can get an actual plan in place, that gives certainty to the coal generators, as to how long they are required.



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Yes, the Greens may be a problem again. I wonder what the Greens will say if the best long term firming ie hydro is mentioned?

 

[sptrawler]

Yes, the Greens may be a problem again. I wonder what the Greens will say if the best long term firming ie hydro is mentioned?

That's the issue, sooner or later it has to be addressed, gas isn't going to last long and it doesn't resolve the emissions problem.
Also we will need the income from selling the gas, so the gas issue will become a problem sooner, rather than later IMO.

Hydro is the East Coast answer, whether the Govt is brave enough to ask the question is the issue, but i think they need to get straight onto it while the election result is fresh in the greens minds.

 

[qldfrog]

Yes, the Greens may be a problem again. I wonder what the Greens will say if the best long term firming ie hydro is mentioned?

Best indeed but not enough

 

[sptrawler]

Coal produces more CO2 per unit of energy than natural gas does when burned. Coal consumption for electricity generation produces 209 pounds of CO2 per million British thermal units (MMBtu), compared with 117 pounds of CO2/MMBtu for natural gas.9 June 2021

But, gas isn't clean, far from it.

Hydro is expensive, but it is clean, so as usual it depends what the priority is, cost or global warming.

I think that has been mentioned before and it seems cost is the driving factor, so don't keep complaining about global warming FFS.

MYTH BUSTING: Is Fossil Gas Actually "Cleaner"? – Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air

energyandcleanair.org

 

[SirRumpole]

Hydro is expensive, but it is clean

And it lasts for a long time, so the cost per operational time unit is very low.

 

[sptrawler]

And it lasts for a long time, so the cost per operational time unit is very low.

Yep, but they have reduced the Marinus link to one cable, which would indicate that they aren't actually interested in hydro, because Tassie is the perfect place to increase hydro capacity.

It's all about ideology and optics, meanwhile IMO, we are going to get creamed in about 15 years, we will have over invested in obsolete renewable technology and not be in a financial position to adjust.

Time will tell and I hope I'm wrong and I hope I'm here to see it.

 

[sptrawler]

The stupidity of the loonies, is endless. Lol the clever country, I think not.

Anti-Musk sentiment runs high in Adelaide as 95% of submissions oppose land sale to Tesla

Marion city council in South Australia censors strong language in some of the nearly 1,000 submissions that called for proposal to be struck down

www.theguardian.com

The city of Marion in South Australia is considering selling 2,664 sq metres of public land – which is contaminated and not publicly accessible – to Tesla which wants to build a battery factory on the plot.

The council has consulted the community and written a report that says the benefits – including 100 full-time jobs, boosted rates revenues, $56m in economic output and “Tesla-led training programs” – outweigh the “geopolitical or symbolic criticisms expressed in submissions”.

Of the nearly 1,000 submissions sent to the local council, 95% called for the proposal to be struck down, citing “anti-Tesla and anti-Elon Musk sentiment” and “Musk’s influence on global discourse via social media platforms”, as well as the environmental impact and potential loss of green space.