- Joined
- 30 June 2008
- Posts
- 16,353
- Reactions
- 8,379
It is nowadays significantly cheaper to attach flow battery storage with renewables, rather than building dams. Flow batteries have lifespans in excess of 20 years.
Smurf1976 said:And so on. Pragmatically there's more to it than just the engineering aspect of it all and keeping naturally conflicting interests reasonably happy is part of that.
Greenies have been opposing dams for decades. They keep on finding endangered species to delay projects. One day they have to decide their priorities.
?
Is this the sort thing we are talking about Rumpy?
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/07/bob-brown-turns-wind-farm-nimby/
Here we go, here we go, here we go.
Lets form a circle.
Wait until we get thousands of hectares of solar panels, that will have them falling out of the trees, well the trees that haven't been cut down to install the panels.Exactly. Some people will never be happy.
Given the energy density of hydrogen is 3 times that of diesel, what is your point?Energy density is a very inconvenient fact, a huge plus for fossil fuels, which is badly understood by many
That sort of thing is where the "anti-everything" argument comes from and it's not hard to see why.Is this the sort thing we are talking about Rumpy?
That sort of thing is where the "anti-everything" argument comes from and it's not hard to see why.
Environmentalists said no to hydro acknowledging coal as the alternative.
Then coal was bad but gas was promoted for the next ~25 years as the better way forward.
Until someone got fracking, which was always inevitable if we ramped up gas use, and then all of a sudden gas was bad we should use wind.
Then came the objections about wind farms spoiling the view and so on meanwhile there's opposition to the gas import plans in Victoria too.
Can't win.
That ultimately is the elephant in the room along with the prospect of sudden failures elsewhere and the prospect of running short of fuel with which to operate plant that's still working.Yes and the really funny bit is, all of these issues are going to be resolved, before they shut down Liddell in 2022.
Can't wait to see that.
Like we keep saying it is a time issue, not a lack of will, from where I sit it doesn't seem possible to reconcile all the issues in the time available.That ultimately is the elephant in the room along with the prospect of sudden failures elsewhere and the prospect of running short of fuel with which to operate plant that's still working.
With regard to the fuel supply issue, there have been a couple of days this year when gas ran short in SA and fuel oil was burned as a workaround plus there's an ongoing problem with getting enough coal in NSW particularly at Mt Piper (2 x 700 MW, Energy Australia) but other NSW coal-fired plant has had similar problems.
I'm not keen on nukes, we've had two things go "kaboom!" with power generation recently but at least it's an easy cleanup when it's not radioactive, but certainly agreed about the timing issue with it all.Like we keep saying it is a time issue, not a lack of will, from where I sit it doesn't seem possible to reconcile all the issues in the time available.
I agree 100% the only thing is it is the only 'clean' substitute, if renewables for some reason can't achieve 100% capacity + reserve margin.I'm not keen on nukes, we've had two things go "kaboom!" with power generation recently but at least it's an easy cleanup when it's not radioactive, but certainly agreed about the timing issue with it all.
Like we keep saying it is a time issue, not a lack of will, from where I sit it doesn't seem possible to reconcile all the issues in the time available.
On another subject these small nuclear power reactors, sound like they tick a lot of the boxes, especially in Australia's grid.
https://www.world-nuclear.org/infor...er-reactors/small-nuclear-power-reactors.aspx
They would be a perfect fit for W.A, sub 300MW, good turn down. They would be just about a straight swap out, for one of the existing coal sites.
Interesting times ahead.
Energy density is a very inconvenient fact, a huge plus for fossil fuels, which is badly understood by many
A lot of km traveled with 100kg of diesel, not that much with 100kg of batteries and heavier batteries lead to increased energy use
I'm not keen on nukes, we've had two things go "kaboom!" with power generation recently but at least it's an easy cleanup when it's not radioactive, but certainly agreed about the timing issue with it all.
People live around small nuclear reactors in submarines and aircraft carriers producing a few hundred kW, so the technology is there.
Putting a few outback where the threats can be managed would at least be worth considering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_marine_propulsion
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?