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Duckman#72 said:
Jobe, Hirdy and everyone else associated at the club keep saying things like,"We are confident we have done nothing wrong. We just want everything to be finalised and out in the open."
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LOL of course they are saying that. And the punters are swallowing it hook, line, sinker and rod!!
 
chops_a_must said:
The bigger consequences are if it was found to be systematic, or widespread treatment in the squad.

THAT would throw a cat amongst the pigeons.
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I don't understand why? It already has been seen to be part of a systematic and widespread treatment at the club. Essendon can hardly hose that one down. Everyone knows that the club was knee deep into a supplement program.

The idea that Watson is an isolated case is beyond belief.

Essendon's best defence will still be open, honest, upfront...............legal technicalities!!

Duckman
 
Trembling Hand said:
LOL of course they are saying that. And the punters are swallowing it hook, line, sinker and rod!!
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I disagree TH.

There is a difference between saying, "Before we make any other comments we are waiting for the results of the investigation" and "We are confident that we have done nothing wrong, and are certain that we have not taken a banned substance". I think they've been given advice otherwise they wouldn't be so strong.

I just can't understand why Watson would have made the statement otherwise. If the Bombers and Watson had any indication that the investigation had taken a turn for the worse, wouldn't they be playing it down. Last night's interview has empowered every AFL follower that doesn't support the bombers to come out and say ..."Let's punish them".

If Watson and the Club are being this bravado, while holding no cards to speak of, you have got to at least commend them for having balls!!

Duckman
 
Duckman#72 said:
Essendon's best defence will still be open, honest, upfront...............legal technicalities!!

Duckman
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I'm not sure what the legal technicalities will be here. I think they may only have mitigation in believing that some correspondence indicated it was ok. Or, they just thought they'd get away with doping, which I doubt. Fingers crossed for a legal technicality, or they have something up their sleeve.

Caroline Wilson's reporting this afternoon typically sensationalistic. It's as if they've been feeding every player nandrolone. No wonder Fairfax is going under. All their quality journalists have left the building leaving behind tripe.
 

Caroline Wilson has to be the worst journo out there. I cannot understand any co's rationale for having her on the payroll!

Anyway; WADA have come out and said ignorance is no excuse...i.e. the decision comes down to you whether you inject/ingest etc etc. ASADA may have a different code of conduct though

I've probably made Watson the whipping boy but the players who did this as Essendon should definitely be sanctioned somehow? You can't take a footy team off the park but perhaps stripping of picks for the next 'x' years? Fines?
 
JTLP said:
Caroline Wilson has to be the worst journo out there. I cannot understand any co's rationale for having her on the payroll!
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Actually I think she is good. The footy media is full of sycophantic interwoven boys club. They are all in it and its big business. Everyone stroking everyone else. Quite sickly really. You need someone exactly like her to kick the sh!te out of their comfortable little cult. Counter balance is very important without it you end up with the Armstrong situation.

(Some of her more hysterical calls aside- sack Dane Swan for rumours as an example).
 

And I would agree with you partially; the football world is very male orientated and is full of backslapping and jobs for the boys etc. She just blows all credibility out of the water when she goes on hysterical rampages; calling for people to be sacked; that it is impossible to see any good/journalistic integrity in her other articles.

The other person who tried to succeed in the male world and didn't fair quite well was Kelly Underwood. Doesn't help when you've got a monotone voice though.:
 
Everything that needs to be known is now known. The public is kept in the dark while the AFL works out how to handle things, because they don't automatically adopt WADA rules.

Options for Essendon - whole team suspended for rest of year, or 12 months? Watson stripped of Brownlow?
 

I think they are legislated to follow ASADA.

I see a ban for the individual players. Though not the full 2 years - maybe 6 months?

And a big fine for Essendon and stripped of points and a few careers done.
 
Duckman#72 said:
I don't understand why? It already has been seen to be part of a systematic and widespread treatment at the club. Essendon can hardly hose that one down. Everyone knows that the club was knee deep into a supplement program.
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Because then WADA would be pushing for an entire club suspension.

It's serious stuff.
 
Can't stand Caroline Wilson either, she just tries to stir up trouble. She hates Buddy, he just has to sneeze and she is writing an article about his 'bad behaviour'

The Essendon thing, they will have to be sanctioned in some way or the AFL will be a joke. Jobe should definitely be stripped of his Brownlow, look forward to Sam Mitchell receiving his
 
Miss Hale said:
Can't stand Caroline Wilson either, she just tries to stir up trouble. She hates Buddy, he just has to sneeze and she is writing an article about his 'bad behaviour'
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Maybe it's because she knows why he sneezes so much.
 
Jealousy is a curse, I know you guys all secretly wish you had Buddy in your team

Go Buddy, and go Hawks!!!!
 
Gringotts Bank said:
I do have Buddy on my team!! Hoping he stays, but suspect he will chase the moola up north.
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I'm leaning towards the opinion that he will stay (but really have no idea), prefer it if he stays though for sure. Nevertheless I won't be cracking the sads if he goes, Hawks will manage without him I'm sure. Not sure how Buddy would manage without the Hawks though.
 
I have to say that John Worsfold's "I didn't hear it" answer in response to a question regarding the West Coast fans' booing of Jobe Watson last night was really poor form. I like Woosha, but the noise the crowd made when Watson touched the ball could be heard from Kalgoorlie.

Whether you support the actions of the crowd or not (personally I thought their actions were pathetic and a blight on a great contest), why lie about it? What purpose does lying serve, I always respected Worsfold as a man who didn't shirk the issues on or off field. I am afraid a lot of that has gone.

If he supported the crowd's actions, a simple "They paid their admission, they have the right to support or jeer as they see fit".

If he was against it then being a major face of the club, he should have acted to stop such poor behaviour.

If he didn't care either way, why not say that?

The issue I am raising is not the booing nor whether Watson is innocent or guilty, but the coach's bizarre response.

It seems to me, that to go out of your way to not be honest about it and hide from the issue was really, really weak.
 
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