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Religion IS crazy!



Thanks for bringing those stories into the light. I never even heard of them so it's good to see you telling christian stories instead of always fighting and arguing against it.
 

Those risking their lives to spread the gospel would be extremely foolish and reckless if this was the only life that there was. It would make no sense.

If there was another life however, and their efforts to extend the gospel at personal risk, including death, lead to the eternal salvation of others, then it would be better than any risk to reward ratio that you'd ever see in trading.
 
You are right! :

God exists and She is a comedienne!
Oh Burglar! ... You are SUCH a sexist!!! The feminazis will be after you if you're not careful. :

http://grammarist.com/usage/comedienne/
 
And in yet another example of religious stupidity, an Australian missionary has been arrested after waltzing into North Korea and distributing Christian material.
I wonder how your post (if any) would have read if it had been a guy selling DVDs of Richard Dawkins material or similar?

I notice you didn't condemn with the same vehemence the actions of the people in the Four Corners report.

John Short is a veteran Christian missionary who has been working in Asia for 50 years and no doubt he and his wife gave very serious thought to their actions before he embarked on his mission. He went in to NK with his eyes wide open because he thought he could do something to help the suffering and oppressed people of NK.

Or should everyone just sit on their hands and turn a blind eye to the indescribable tortures and cruelty going on there, and pour scorn on anyone who dares to try and do something?

It's very easy to sit in the comfort and safety of your home here in this "lucky country" and ridicule the actions of those who unselfishly risk their lives like that to try and help others, and I can see a big difference between what he did and those other cases you listed.

There are people risking their lives on the streets of Kiev at the moment, as well as in other countries around the world, not for their own personal benefit but to try and create a better life for others. Are they also being stupid and irresponsible?
 
their efforts to extend the gospel at personal risk, including death, lead to the eternal salvation of others, then it would be better than any risk to reward ratio that you'd ever see in trading.

So do people that haven't heard the gospel automatically go to hell?

If the answer is no, then aren't you putting them at risk by teaching them the gospel? Because if they were going to get a free pass because they hadn't been informed, then informing them is just taking that free pass away and putting them at risk, Sounds to me like spreading the gospel is gambling with peoples lives, perhaps the Christians should keep their religion to them selves.
 

If you were unsure whether someone is going to heaven or hell the most rational, intelligent and compassionate thing would be to present the only way for them to be able to and then leave the choice with them.

I'm glad that these missionaries aren't playing Russian roulette and leaving it up to chance. They are presenting the single objective way and providing people with the choice, by their own free will, to accept it.

Having said that most people in these countries would be aware of Jesus (whatever their thoughts are about him) and thus be accountable to responding to him. Anyone who can present this in a clear and urgent manner is providing the opportunity for them to know the truth and accept it.
 



The answer is yes, even if they havn't heard of Jesus they still get sent to hell. Once you sin, you need to reconsile. The only way to do this is faith in JESUS.

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Good point.
 
CBC
I disagree.
It does not address the issue in the bible of those who have never heard.
We know that God's character is justice and he will never rip someone off or leave them without a chance.

Those who are in the bible and never heard of Jesus and are in heaven includes: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David etc.

If given the opportunity we must repent and believe. Those very few who don't hear about Christ..... I don't believe they are condemned to hell automatically. Those who have heard (almost everyone) have no excuse.
 


Sory, obviously before Jesus came people went to heaven based on their works and was nothing to do with Jesus.
 
If given the opportunity we must repent and believe. Those very few who don't hear about Christ..... I don't believe they are condemned to hell automatically. Those who have heard (almost everyone) have no excuse.
I agree.

It's all about "free will", but you must first be given the opportunity to choose. I believe the thief on the cross was an example.
 
We know that God's character is justice and he will never rip someone off or leave them without a chance.

giving somebody an infinite punishment (eternity in hell) for a finite crime is not Justice. Neither is punishing somebody for not believing in him when he doesn't show himself

Those who are in the bible and never heard of Jesus and are in heaven includes: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David etc.

according to cbc jesus did met those guys. so did he or didn't he?

If given the opportunity we must repent and believe. Those very few who don't hear about Christ..... I don't believe they are condemned to hell automatically. Those who have heard (almost everyone) have no excuse

So you agree it is not a good thing to tell someone who doesn't know about Jesus already, since believe they have a free pass anyway.
 
No no no. They do not have a free pass.
God places in our hearts the knowledge that there is a god.
Only the very few who sincerely turn to god in this faith, live by the moral standards he places in their conscience and genuinely seek to live a selfless moral life and do what god wants.

There is no free pass. The majority who don't know of Jesus won't be going to heaven IMO. The irony is those who will are probably the plea who would most readily accept Christ if he is presented because they are seeking
 

So to clarify - you believe that all those people who pray to Allah, or Buddha, or Mohammed etc are doomed to hell, because they're praying to the wrong God?

Do you believe that a child born to pious parents in, say, Pakistan is doomed for eternity because his/her parents have a deep faith in an alternative religion to the one you believe to be the right one?
 
I'll take a God that has no tolerance for sin any day.

In the same way I'll take a judge who upholds the law and doesn't let those who break it run around willy nilly.

The fact that God doesn't tolerate it shows how holy and moral his character is.

He reveals himself plain and clear for those who open their eyes. It's sad that most don't take he time to.

If you spent as much time seeking truth as you do debating your views in here, you'll find it too.
 

Everyone has a chance to choose to believe Jesus when presented with it.

In the same way that he centre of Christianity started in the the Middle East and then went to:
Rome
Europe
South America
China (yes communism China!)

The CENTRE of Christianity moving is evidence that people can make a choice for themselves if they genuinely seek the truth.
But you need to seek the truth.
Weigh up the evidence.
A kid who grows up and accepts his Muslim faith on face value is as foolish as the Christian who believe 'just because.'

The evidence for Christ is incomparable greater than for the others. If someone really seeks they will find.
 

Not looking for a lecture Pav, just a simple answer to my question.
 
I will explain myself in entirety.
I won't post more or less than I feel necessary in answering it.
 
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