If the Universe is truly infinite, then infinite variety of life forms must also exist. Also, infinite worlds, infinite different planes of existence and so on and so on. But this is just word play in one sense, because the mind is not capable of understanding the word 'infinite'. When the mind tries to really understand it, it always fails because the very next thought will be "but where is the edge of infinity? and if there's an edge then what's beyond that?...". The mind can't cope with infinity, instead it just has this concept of it.
Infinity has always fascinated me, the mind cant really comprehend it, the mind must see ends to things structures, the concept of never ending space cant be truly imagined.
It must go on forever, otherwise there must be an end ...but what would be beyond that, there cant be a wall ....there cant be an end.
( I think I just repeated what you said)
Yeh exactly, you begin to see just how restricted the mind is. All it can do is conceptualize (as opposed to realize).
Saudis tweet anger at religious police following car chase death
The death of a young Saudi during a car chase by the country’s religious police has stirred uproar on the social media, especially after it became known that the involved members of the Saudi religious police fled the scene of the accident.
The news of the crash went viral when a witness first uploaded a video of the car chase, which took place Tuesday in the capital Riyadh, on his twitter account with the hashtag “The commission killed two men on national day.”
Reactions appeared to be tense but divided between those who supported the religious authority, commonly known as the Committee for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice, and those opposed it.
The authority is also referred to in Arabic simply as “the Haia” meaning “the committee.”
A Twitter user named @talal tweeted: “The religious police had killed people in al-Madina, and killed in Tabuk, and Baljurashi and today they killed in Al-Riyadh and on National Day. The Haia are blood thirsty.”
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2013/09/27/Saudis-tweet-anger-at-religious-police-following-car-chase-death.html
Man, If only I had a proper adjudicated face to face debate with you. I would have a field day and rip you to shreds!!!
POTISKUM, Nigeria (AP) ”” Suspected Islamic extremists attacked an agricultural college in the dead of night, gunning down dozens of students as they slept in dormitories and torching classrooms, the school's provost said ”” the latest violence in northeastern Nigeria's ongoing Islamic uprising.
Idi Mato said as many as 50 students may have been killed in the assault that began at about 1 a.m. Sunday in rural Gujba. "They attacked our students while they were sleeping in their hostels. They opened fire at them," he said, adding that most victims were aged between 18 and 22.
Soldiers recovered 42 bodies and transported 18 wounded students to Damaturu Specialist Hospital, 40 kilometers (25) miles north, said a military intelligence official who insisted on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press.
Infinity has always fascinated me, the mind cant really comprehend it, the mind must see ends to things structures, the concept of never ending space cant be truly imagined.
It must go on forever, otherwise there must be an end ...but what would be beyond that, there cant be a wall ....there cant be an end.
( I think I just repeated what you said)
A 17 year-old Jehovah's Witness who was fighting a court order to have a life-saving blood transfusion has lost an appeal just four months shy of his 18th birthday.
The religious teenager, who is being treated for Hodgkin's Lymphoma at The Sydney Children's Hospital, had threatened to rip the IV needle from his arm and said it would be akin to rape if he was given a blood transfusion while under anaesthetic.
A Supreme Court judge ruled in April that the boy, known as X for legal reasons, had to have the transfusion but his family appealed it, arguing that he was "highly intelligent" and his maturity and competency should be enough to override the court's power.
Justice John Basten rejected the appeal on Friday morning but said the order would be removed when X turned 18 in January, allowing him to make the potentially life-or-death decision for himself.
His doctor, Professor Glenn Marshall, told the court earlier this year that X had an 80 per cent chance of dying from anaemia if he didn't have the transfusion.
"The interest of the state is in keeping him alive until that time, after which he will be free to make his own decisions as to medical treatment," Justice Basten said in his judgement.
"The interest of the state in preserving life is at its highest with respect to children and young persons who are inherently vulnerable, in varying degrees."
X has had three unsuccessful rounds of chemotherapy at a lower dose than Professor Marshall advised.
After some initial success, the cancer in his lymph nodes spread to his lungs and spleen in November last year.
X was advised to have more intense chemotherapy but, because that treatment was likely to lead to a blood transfusion, he and his parents refused.
What are your views on this?
My view, if he doesn't want to get the blood transfusion, so be it....
Jehovah's Witness teen loses appeal over life-saving transfusion
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witness-teen-loses-appeal-over-lifesaving-transfusion-20130927-2uib6.html#ixzz2gPm1tQcs
What are your views on this?
My view, if he doesn't want to get the blood transfusion, so be it....
Jehovah's Witness teen loses appeal over life-saving transfusion
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/jehovahs-witness-teen-loses-appeal-over-lifesaving-transfusion-20130927-2uib6.html#ixzz2gPm1tQcs
I know this discussion is ancient history now, but anyway ...Infinity has always fascinated me, the mind cant really comprehend it, the mind must see ends to things structures, the concept of never ending space cant be truly imagined.
It must go on forever, otherwise there must be an end ...but what would be beyond that, there cant be a wall ....there cant be an end.
Where scientists may form many a hypothesis about existence and the universe, the religious postulate that not only does a sky God exist but that their particular version of this imagined God is the only correct one. The penalty for not believing this faith based nonsense is some version of eternal hell and perhaps even death for blasphemy in this life.Since we know so little about our own universe, and there are possibly many unknown unknowns, it's worth keeping an open mind on this stuff.
I agree with some of what you said, but I disagree with your generally harsh view of religion!There is no comparing the pursuit of knowledge by application of reason and the scientific method to the dictates of religion.
Saudi preacher jailed for 8 years for raping, killing daughter
A Saudi court has sentenced a preacher convicted of raping his five-year-old daughter and torturing her to death to eight years in prison and 800 lashes, a lawyer says.
In a case that drew widespread public condemnation in the kingdom and abroad, the court on Tuesday also ordered Fayhan al-Ghamdi to pay his ex-wife, the girl's mother, one million riyals ($282,000) in "blood money," lawyer Turki al-Rasheed said.
Blood money is compensation for the next of kin under Islamic law.
The girl's mother had demanded 10 million riyals ($2.8 million).
Ghamdi's second wife, accused of taking part in the crime, was sentenced to 10 months in prison and 150 lashes, said Rasheed, who is lawyer for the girl's mother.
Ghamdi was convicted of "raping and killing his five-year-old daughter Lama," he added.
The girl was admitted to hospital on December 25, 2011 with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns, activists said. She died several months later.
Ghamdi, a regular guest on Muslim television networks despite not being an authorised cleric in Saudi Arabia, had confessed to having used cables and a cane to inflict the injuries, human rights activists said earlier this year.
Randa al-Kaleeb, a social worker from the hospital where Lama was admitted, said the girl's back was broken and that she had been raped "everywhere".
Reportedly, Ghamdi had doubted his daughter's virginity.
Rights activists in the kingdom had been campaigning for harsher punishment of Ghamdi when reports emerged in January that the court would only give him a short jail term and order him to pay blood money to the mother.
In ultra-conservative Saudi Arabia, where rape and murder are among several crimes punishable by death, a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives.
Such crimes carry a jail sentence between five to 12 years
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- A Saudi doctor has gone on-air to dismiss claims made by a well-known cleric who caused a stir when he said medical studies show driving affects a woman's ovaries.
In comments aired over the weekend by the privately owned Rotana channel, gynecologist Mohammed Baknah says scientific studies have not proven that driving has adverse effects on women's reproductive health.
He was addressing remarks by Sheik Saleh Saad el-Leheidan who said that women who drive suffer from having the pelvis forced upward. His remarks were published Saturday in an interview with the website el-Sabq.
Hard-line clerics have opposed a campaign scheduled for October 26 calling on women to drive in defiance of a ban in the ultraconservative kingdom.
Another cleric this month called on people to harass women who drive.
Saudi Arabia's Women Driving Ban: Doctor Dismisses Cleric's Claim That Driving Hurts Ovaries
And there i thought it was the increasing levels of literacy and education that was causing the western world to have declining birth rates, when it was women getting behind a car wheel. :car:
I wonder what the cleric thinks driving does to a man's testes :dunno:
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