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MattThomson said:Hey I've just started up in the market a few weeks ago and I've noticed that everyone keeps talking about market trends etc. I'm at uni doing finance and have read that trends are just random and that its information that truly matters. From what I've seen, you have to know the company that you're investing in and what their prospects are. After two weeks of looking I have found two companies that I believe are undervalued, one massively so, and thats through ignoring trends. The massively undervalued one is due to a complicated company structure and people not taking the time to read up and learn just what is going on. I believe in a couple of weeks it will double in price, and has the potential to go further. Just a few tips from a beginner investor. If anyone has any information on how you can make money from trends, please let me know.
MattThomson said:Hey I've just started up in the market a few weeks ago and I've noticed that everyone keeps talking about market trends etc. I'm at uni doing finance and have read that trends are just random and that its information that truly matters. From what I've seen, you have to know the company that you're investing in and what their prospects are. After two weeks of looking I have found two companies that I believe are undervalued, one massively so, and thats through ignoring trends. The massively undervalued one is due to a complicated company structure and people not taking the time to read up and learn just what is going on. I believe in a couple of weeks it will double in price, and has the potential to go further. Just a few tips from a beginner investor. If anyone has any information on how you can make money from trends, please let me know.
MattThomson said:Hey I've just started up in the market a few weeks ago and I've noticed that everyone keeps talking about market trends etc. I'm at uni doing finance and have read that trends are just random and that its information that truly matters. From what I've seen, you have to know the company that you're investing in and what their prospects are. After two weeks of looking I have found two companies that I believe are undervalued, one massively so, and thats through ignoring trends. The massively undervalued one is due to a complicated company structure and people not taking the time to read up and learn just what is going on. I believe in a couple of weeks it will double in price, and has the potential to go further. Just a few tips from a beginner investor. If anyone has any information on how you can make money from trends, please let me know.
MichaelD said:What works?
A system with a positive expectancy and correct money and risk management, most appropriately but unpalatably called bet sizing.
(and the psychological make-up to cope with the answer)
Q. Why are there 101 ways to pick a stock to trade?
A. Because none of them work.
MattThomson said:I was mostly confused by how some people are just using trends and trends only to help them select which shares to buy.
MattThomson said:I was mostly confused by how some people are just using trends and trends only to help them select which shares to buy. (I'll post the new about those shares in the right threads when I buy some in a couple of days, just setting up comsec etc now. Don't want the price to jump too early)
I'm at uni doing finance and have read that trends are just random
and that its information that truly matters. From what I've seen, you have to know the company that you're investing in and what their prospects are.
After two weeks of looking I have found two companies that I believe are undervalued, one massively so, and thats through ignoring trends.
The massively undervalued one is due to a complicated company structure and people not taking the time to read up and learn just what is going on. I believe in a couple of weeks it will double in price, and has the potential to go further.
I was mostly confused by how some people are just using trends and trends only to help them select which shares to buy. (I'll post the new about those shares in the right threads when I buy some in a couple of days, just setting up comsec etc now. Don't want the price to jump too early
Trends are momentum.
Undervaluation is opinion.
What is value in an ever changing environment, based on outdated data?
Positive expectancy is well known and tends to be blurted out too often with disregard to what matters to achieve that expectancy.
Bull market gold medallists!
Regardless of how you select a stock I'll guarentee that if you make a profit from it it will have trended.
A trend, is a direct prediction of the future, and as such it must be either right, or wrong, 50/50.
There is information overload. The key is to identify the important information, and to interpret, or analyze that information in a quantitative & qualitative manner, that provides an accurate appraisal of the value.
To double in *price* or return 100% in a couple of weeks.
While this is possible, it would suggest a speculative capital structure, generally utilizing a lot of debt to leverage the returns to equity, or, a stock so *oversold* that it is due a *technical* bounce combined with a true *undervaluation*.
This would however suggest a *counter-trend* position.
I'd be interested in analyzing them when you eventually disclose them.
Trends are momentum, or sentiment, and can change in a heartbeat, so what is their value?
Undervaluation is most definitely not simply an opinion. It is a fact.
Outdated data, simply displays the gulf that exists between *charties* and *fundies*
Agreed.
The mantra is propagated without the vaguest notion of what is, and is not actually being generated.
While I understand your point, and accept it, there are still the *Options* strategies that do not really require *trending*, Arbitrage, which does not require trending & Bankruptcies.
Where'd you get that from duc! There is nothing predictive about a trend--you dont even know you have one or how long it is until after the fact.
Resulting in an opinion,your opinion.
Holding a stock to a 40% loss when purchased at a point of "Undervaluation" has me questioning determination of undervaluation.
"At this point my analysis is not accurate"---your pet hate---STOPS.
Dont scare the guy off duc let the market analyse them!!
All ords has been on a 20 yr trend.Take a look at QBE had that since $7.85 and now $22 + .Timeframe my friend timeframe
It can be as factual as you like but unless enough people see things the same way as you do and continue to see your undervalued stock as still undervalued as it increases 10%,20%,30% or more a TREND wont develope for long enough for you to profit.
MichaelD said:Picking winners and trading profitably are two separate and only loosely connected pieces of the puzzle.
Q. Why are there 101 cures for the common cold?
A. Because none of them work.
Q. Why are there 101 ways to pick a stock to trade?
A. Because none of them work.
What works?
A system with a positive expectancy and correct money and risk management, most appropriately but unpalatably called bet sizing.
(and the psychological make-up to cope with the answer)
A trend, is a direct prediction of the future, and as such it must be either right, or wrong, 50/50.
Value is relative.Snake
Trends are momentum, or sentiment, and can change in a heartbeat, so what is their value?
Undervaluation is most definitely not simply an opinion. It is a fact.
Outdated data, simply displays the gulf that exists between *charties* and *fundies*
For picking to have worked it needs to improve system performance over random entry, be that improving system expectancy or reducing drawdown. The great majority of stockpicking strategies are demonstrably harmful to both parameters.Snake Pliskin said:What are the parameters for the picking to be classed as having worked?
MichaelD said:For picking to have worked it needs to improve system performance over random entry, be that improving system expectancy or reducing drawdown. The great majority of stockpicking strategies are demonstrably harmful to both parameters.
A trend is momentum of greed or fear. A trend is not a direct prediction of future directions. 50/50? What about ranges?
Value is relative.
Undervaluation is relative and opinion. Why do so many give different opinions about a given stock?
I believe in a couple of weeks it will double in price, and has the potential to go further.
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