Myers-Briggs personality type

Temjin · 2 April 2007

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numbercruncher said:
I beleive statistically around 25pc of the population are Introverts, as a comparison, Extroverts are generally energised from being around other people.

That's generally true because humans are...well..naturally a very sociable "creature".

I've done this test back in university and has been an ENTJ for quite a while. Geez, I actually missed all those newsletter from Tharp but then it was back in 2004 and I never knew the possibility of trading back then. hahah (or heard of Van Tharp)

wayneL said:
I wonder if there is a correlation between personality type and trading style.

Probably there is. I'm an ENTJ and there is no way I could trade like other pure discretionary people who rely on their highly developed perception skills to recognise and remember chart patterns. I'm a pure mechanical system trader and almost ignore patterns trading. Or rather, I can't CODE my trading program to recognise patterns. hehe Though possible for candlesticks, but I'm not giving it a high priority for my own personal reasons. (prolly due to my values again)

Do note that Tharp isn't saying pure discretionary people are at a disadvantage, in fact, some of the top traders (if not the best) are pure discretionary when they developed all the necessary skills for it. (perception combined with their logical thinking and have iron disciplines)

rossy_k · 2 April 2007

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ENTP

Kauri · 2 April 2007

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ISTP...

2020hindsight · 2 April 2007

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numbercruncher - all good stuff about introverts (introversion?)
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200303/rauch
Here's another website - lol, this bloke treats it like Alcoholics Unanimous.
More accurate, sounds like a skit by Monty Python lol.
"I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert...Oh, for years I denied it." etc etc

"That's ok mate, that bloke over there's an extrovert, and that one's a pervert, and ...."

Caring for Your Introvert. The habits and needs of a little-understood group. by Jonathan Rauch

Do you know someone who needs hours alone every day? Who loves quiet conversations about feelings or ideas, and can give a dynamite presentation to a big audience, but seems awkward in groups and maladroit at small talk? Who has to be dragged to parties and then needs the rest of the day to recuperate? Who growls or scowls or grunts or winces when accosted with pleasantries by people who are just trying to be nice?

If so, do you tell this person he is "too serious," or ask if he is okay? Regard him as aloof, arrogant, rude? Redouble your efforts to draw him out?

If you answered yes to these questions, chances are that you have an introvert on your hands—and that you aren't caring for him properly. Science has learned a good deal in recent years about the habits and requirements of introverts. It has even learned, by means of brain scans, that introverts process information differently from other people (I am not making this up). If you are behind the curve on this important matter, be reassured that you are not alone. Introverts may be common, but they are also among the most misunderstood and aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world.

I know. My name is Jonathan, and I am an introvert.
Oh, for years I denied it. etc etc

Here's another by same author ...
"Introverts of the World, Unite!"
(like that one "Dyslexics of the world, Untie!!"
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200602u/introverts

Most magazine articles do not, as a general rule, inspire impassioned responses. But in 2003, when The Atlantic published a short essay by correspondent Jonathan Rauch on the trials of introversion in an extroverts' world, the reaction was overwhelming. Rauch was inundated with more enthusiastic mail about the piece than for anything else he'd ever written. And on The Atlantic's Web site, it drew (and has continued to draw) more traffic than any other piece we've posted.

Introvert Letters . Rauch has received more mail in response to this article than for anything else he's ever written. See a representative sample of excerpts, with commentary by Rauch. PLUS—Rauch invites more feedback.

"I am an introvert," Rauch declared in the piece. And as such, he contended, he is a member of one of the "most misunderstood and aggrieved groups in America, possibly the world." By definition, he explained, introverts are those who find other people's company tiring. Yet the uncomprehending extrovert majority imposes its own gregarious expectations on extroverts and introverts alike—compelling incessant socializing, enthusiastic party-going, and easy shooting of the breeze as norms. Introverts, Rauch pointed out—though an oppressed minority—comprise a significant portion of the population. Their quiet, introspective ways, he argued, should therefore be viewed not as a deviation from standard, but as a different kind of normal.

sounds like BS to me I'm sure we all pass through moods, some when we are happy to socialise, and some when we prefer peace and (BLUDY) quiet, lol. - just my opinon - beware of labels - no two people the same etc etc - and thank goodness - what makes it intresting .

PS. I would add that IMO people in big cities are pretty slow to say hello to neighbours. As someone who came from a small town ( where I seriously knew thousands of people), to Sydney (where I know barely a hundred - maybe 200 - well a lot less anyway) - I find it all pretty wierd. Not that I'm gonna worry about it, life's too short .

PS Prospector - say are you on the mobile there ? lol. My guess is that since mobiles came in, everyone is so busy talking on the phone , there's no time to consciously consider whether introvert or extrovert etc.

Knobby22 · 2 April 2007

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Amazing 2020. You are an internet junky!

Prospector · 2 April 2007

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2020hindsight said:
PS Prospector - say are you on the mobile there ? lol. My guess is that since mobiles came in, everyone is so busy talking on the phone , there's no time to consciously consider whether introvert or extrovert etc.

Hey, I HATE talking on the mobile, I monitor it and dont answer it unless I know who it is! Dont mind the texting though!

For what its worth, I am a true introvert - nothing to do with moods or whatever! I get exhausted dealing with social gatherings - love small intimate dinners but get me in a group of more than 8 people and I just get so tired...

Freeballinginawetsuit · 2 April 2007

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Prospector said:
I am a true introvert

Not a dig, but whats up with youre Avatar if youre an introvert?, a vouyeristic extrovert perhaps..........internet is full of those

Julia · 2 April 2007

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Thanks to those who posted definitions of an introvert. I can really relate to such a definition. Capable of being sociable but only as long as I know I can withdraw. Simply hate those stand around parties where everyone knows everyone only slightly and makes the utterly boring small talk, usually comprising lots of the "and what do you do?" questions, in order to rank everyone in order of social and financial importance. I just don't go any more. But it's a totally different story to have an interesting discussion with a few thoughtful people.
Definitely it's nothing to do with being shy which I'm not at all.

I was waiting for my car at the panel beater's a few days ago (no, don't ask)
and a woman about 70 left her bored looking husband's side and came over to chat. Now there is only so much you can say about the weather, but she managed to analyse pretty much every single day's meteorological events for the last three months. I grunted a few times, but on she went. Eventually I had to just walk away. So, was this woman an extrovert, doing the trying to be nice thing, or just an insensitive twit?

Freeballinginawetsuit · 2 April 2007

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Julia said:
Thanks to those who posted definitions of an introvert. I can really relate to such a definition. Capable of being sociable but only as long as I know I can withdraw. Simply hate those stand around parties where everyone knows everyone only slightly and makes the utterly boring small talk, usually comprising lots of the "and what do you do?" questions, in order to rank everyone in order of social and financial importance. I just don't go any more. But it's a totally different story to have an interesting discussion with a few thoughtful people.
Definitely it's nothing to do with being shy which I'm not at all.

I was waiting for my car at the panel beater's a few days ago (no, don't ask)
and a woman about 70 left her bored looking husband's side and came over to chat. Now there is only so much you can say about the weather, but she managed to analyse pretty much every single day's meteorological events for the last three months. I grunted a few times, but on she went. Eventually I had to just walk away. So, was this woman an extrovert, doing the trying to be nice thing, or just an insensitive twit?

She was probably just a nice old lady who liked a chat, aside from weather yappers.............some oldies have the most enormous wealth of knowledge to pass on. Give me a chat with an oldie any day, over one with my peers.

2020hindsight · 2 April 2007

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Freeballinginawetsuit said:
She was probably just a nice old lady who liked a chat, aside from weather yappers.............some oldies have the most enormous wealth of knowledge ...

I agree freeball, makes a challenge to understand how other generations think - specially those that went through a depression or WWII . I really enjoy talking to an old bloke down the road who was with bomber command in WWII - lovely old gent.

Then again, I know where Julia is coming from as well ... GB Shaw : "the trouble with her was that she lacks the power of conversation, but not the power of speech"

"It is all right to hold a conversation, but you should let go of it now and again " (Richard Armour)

PS slightly off topic - but I went to a school reunion few years back - heaps of us turned up - bloody fantastic to catch up!! Trouble was, it became a game of everyone talking over everyone else about who had the better memory, lol. (Personally I could remember buga all lol). Anyway finally I thought , damn, I know how to sort this conversation out!!! so I said " hek , you remember kindergarten ?!! - that's nothing !!- I remember going to a dance with my dad, and ... coming home with my mum.... "

Prospector · 2 April 2007

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Freeballinginawetsuit said:
Not a dig, but whats up with youre Avatar if youre an introvert?, a vouyeristic extrovert perhaps..........internet is full of those

Well, I am also a gemini so I like to confuse - or maybe I'm slightly schizo.

Extrovert - having taken a multitude of these tests through Uni I have never ever come up as being an extravert. That has been the one constant of my life! Voyeur - well, I like 'reality programs but not sure if that makes me a voyeur. Not sure where you are going with that Voyeurs like to look, not show.

2020hindsight · 2 April 2007

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To be honest I found that test a bit mmm predictable, I mean...
the computer asks these questions - and it's totally clear what it's driving at ...

"are you extrovert Y/N?" mmm Y (I guess)
"are you empathetic Y/N?" mmm Y (I guess)
"are you kinky Y/N?" mmm Y ( I guess)

"well guess what??" says the computer, "you're an extroverted empathetic kink, otherwise known as an EEK!! "

" hey ... How did that DO that !!! sheesh these things are clever !!" lol.

numbercruncher · 2 April 2007

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Julia said:
I was waiting for my car at the panel beater's a few days ago (no, don't ask)
and a woman about 70 left her bored looking husband's side and came over to chat. Now there is only so much you can say about the weather, but she managed to analyse pretty much every single day's meteorological events for the last three months. I grunted a few times, but on she went. Eventually I had to just walk away. So, was this woman an extrovert, doing the trying to be nice thing, or just an insensitive twit?

lol as an INTJ i can relate to this big time, I love a chat with Interesting people but people like that who blah blah blah drain me Physically and mentally and sooo quick its unreal, its almost like they suck your life force out of you!

My 70 year Father inlaw (and others,seriously its genetic) do it all the time, repeat stories and incessantly rabble about crap, I do the polite thing generally but i cant begin to tell you how painful it is, it literally drains me phyically and the only way to recover is to have time alone or in a quiet enviroment i eventually have to remove myself from the situation.... I guess you just cant understand it unless you have a Introvert based personality type. I used to think it was some kind of weakness or natural snobbery on my behalf when i was younger lol but now just easily accept thats how it is, hardest thing is getting those around you, especially the full on have a chat extroverts to accept/understand it! We have no Qualms with having a chat but dont ramble, dont repeat yourself and spare the details!

One thing i find eases the pain of listening to people who just dribble crap is Alcohol, takes teh pain away, funny thing!

Freeballinginawetsuit · 3 April 2007

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Done by the right people, human analysis/quizzes are the most effective IMO.

I'm poor at the Human ones as well
After Yr12 & Moreso for my folks , I participated in a process that ended with an interview board that I blew 5 mins into, and 2 questions later.........LOL .

It was a rapid downhill slide after my response to " In a position of responsibility for others and by following the decision of your superiors......ie Gallipoli yada yada".

Anyway all turned out good with life, thank christ I never went to Duntroon. I think Kennas has said he went thier!, it takes all sorts in life....... boring if we were all the same

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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http://men.msn.com/articlees.aspx?cp-documentid=4219204>1=9311
Julia and numbercruncher, hope you don't mind me posting this, - speaking of old blokes - just some quotes of Einstein's that I stumbled upon as I was closing down the computer. Now he would have been an interesting bloke to talk to. - plus Julius S Miller.

Actually I'll slip in another anecdote . I met Julius Sumner Miller at the airport once - I quickly introduced myself and said how much I liked his show, and how many times I found myself asking "Why is it So"
http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/whyisitso/
GREAT WEBSITE - you can see him at work !

Anyway he suddenly asked me "see that chord hanging there ? (you know the ones they use to control the "sheep" queueing for tickets) - what shape would that be do you think!! ?" (lilt in his voice ) , I said after a while I thought it was a parabola or some such (was trying to remember catEEnary) - he says "that my boy is a CATinARY". - all in the way you say it great old bloke. (wonder what personality he had ?? lol - other than "a great one" - and kind, and rivetting to listen to )

As I said these quotes are from Einstein, the other hairy old dude .

Certain people find everything boring.

I discovered that nature was constructed in a wonderful way, and our task is to find out the mathematical structure of the nature itself. It is a kind of faith that has helped me through my whole life.

With fame I become more and more stupid, which of course is a very common phenomenon.

The dog is very smart. He feels sorry for me because I receive so much mail. That's why he tries to bite the mailman.

I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion.

Anything truly novel is invented only during one's youth. Later one becomes more experienced, more famous — and more blockheaded.

Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of mankind.

I have reached an age when, if somebody tells me to wear socks, I don't have to.

Nature shows us only the tail of the lion. But I have no doubt that the lion belongs with it, even if he cannot reveal himself all at once. We see him only the way a louse that sits upon him would.

Newton, forgive me.

Compiled from Albert Einstein: His Life and Universe (Simon & Schuster, $35), a new biography by Walter Isaacson

Freeballinginawetsuit · 3 April 2007

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2020hindsight; [B said:
I met Julius Sumner Miller at the airport once[/b] -.

Blast from the past 20/20, the Glass and a half Cabury Chocolate ads......... classics & kept the dentists in Business .

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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Freeballinginawetsuit said:
Blast from the past 20/20, the Glass and a half Cabury Chocolate ads......... classics & kept the dentists in Business .

lol - yep
It's all there - fantastic - gee I'm glad I found that !! - might put a lead on the "internet resources for kids (or all ages) "

PS Didn't mean to insult anyone back there (I'll blame Einstein who actually did the insulting) - there's another definition of a bore ... someone who talks when you want him to listen

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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I really enjoyed that book "I'm OK You're OK" - a different way of looking at all this. People have these three components to their makeup - Child Adult Parent. Child is the most interesting part of us, where we have fun etc. Adult that part that you would hope would take over if you have to reason something out carefully, - like the family budget - and Parent is that part that wants to judge and talk down to others - certainly the most boring part of any of us.

So for instance, when Germaine Greer was criticising Steve Irwin (ignoring the tactless postumous element), I would classify that as a compulsive parent bore and a fascinatingly entertaining big kid. No doubt the psychologists would say it better, find more depth to that comment, etc, throw in the word "complex" a few times, but that's how I see it.

That book goes into "Games" people play. ... some of them sure get boring. Most boring for me is a constant theme of "outrage, outrage", - like two old birds gossiping over the back fence, "Coronation-Street-style" - when there's nothing in it - or this sort of thing. ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q80RK5S3Hsw&NR=1 The Chaser - Be afraid of what you see

PS Some people have four parts, Child Reason Adult Parent - and they are full of them in equal parts ... .

2020hindsight · 3 April 2007

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and finally (else I be accused of lecturing like a parent ) - the difference between kinky and perversion. you see, it's all a question of degree.
"kinky" for instance is tickling yourlover with a feather, whereas, "perversion" is more... like, having intercourse with the chook

PS A man is infinitely more complex than his own thoughts - and that goes triple for women

Julia · 3 April 2007

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2020

Just to take one quote "certain people find everything boring". Do they?
I've never met anyone who found absolutely everything boring.
I find much immensely interesting and rarely would say I felt bored.
However, I was getting bored by the meaningless prattle of the woman I referred to earlier, so, to save my own mental comfort, I moved away from her. Didn't get nasty or put her down. She is who she is, and I am who I am.

I agree that some old people (hell, I'm getting there fast myself) can be just wonderful to talk to. But I'm not automatically going to accord someone my listening ear just because of their age. They probably talked rubbish when they were your age, and have continued to do so.

Numbercruncher and Prospector

You've described the draining of energy so well. And yes, for years I used to compare myself with my very extroverted mother who was always at me for being asocial. No more.

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