Legalising Marijuana

[awg]

Believe me mate, the violence is for real, according to my rellie.

For some reason I thought these young druggies would most likely have come from dysfunctional families. And while that's certainly the case with some of them, there are others she told me about who were private school products from professional parents. For example, one was the 17 year old son of a well known medical specialist.

I'm just damned pleased I never tried illicit drugs myself. I tried pretty much all the other vices.....cigarettes, booze, fast cars, slow horses, fast women! LOL
And thoroughly enjoyed all of them until I grew up a bit and starting behaving more responsibly!

More cash = more access to drugs.

A lot of guys that find themselves in acute psychiatric wards due to drug induced psychosis are "poly-drug abusers"..ie they will have a go at anything.

When I said earlier stoners wern't violent, I was thinking of ones I had personal knowledge of.

However, some that I met in my work capacity, were nasty bits of work, who often smoked a lot of pot to take the "edge" of themselves.

Didnt always work too well, and these guys usually drank and took other drugs, they were potentially violent persons, and the reduction in inhibition and rational thinking caused by cannabis use made them unpredictable.

As a general rule, there is a problem in the treatment of these issues, in that on the hierachy of mental conditions, substance abuse is higher than psychological disorders, so they dont get very good treatment unless they stop taking drugs.

Quite a common weekend routine for young men is to drink and smoke from Friday to Sunday, throw in an eccy or two, and some snorts of speed or coke, a recipe for craziness.(hopefully short-term)

Apparently the staff are not able to distinguish drug induced psychosis, from the non-drug, takes a few days. Insofar as violence goes, I guess once a person is psychotic, from whatever cause, the risk of violence increases.

Although I dont think pot smoking of itself tends to make one violent, (unless associated with other substances, or psychosis), I do note for Krustys benefit that Hashish and Assasins are associated, also Vikings and Scythians were apparently believed to use cannabis as part of their battle preparations

 

[Mofra]

Want to get rid of the criminals - then make it legal!

Todays weed is about 10-20X stronger then the weed from the 60's.

Growers have increased the THC content (the chemical that makes you high) through genetic modification and the need to grow it quicker by planting it in high chemical soil.

... before you include additives some dealers use to increase the weight of buds - hairspray being not uncommon. Legalisation would result in a less contaminated, safer product (I know people who will only smoke what they grow themselves, organic only).

If the government took over the growing they can limit the use of THC and if they were smart they would grow hemp (which contains next to no THC) to use for paper production and replace cotton as fabric. The hemp tree is more efficient, uses less water, less space and grows way quicker

Not to mention a hectare of hemp will produce the same amount of paper as 4 hectares of platation pine.

 

[Krusty the Klown]

I do note for Krustys benefit that Hashish and Assasins are associated, also Vikings and Scythians were apparently believed to use cannabis as part of their battle preparations

Yes, that's true about the Assassins, I forgot about them. The name "Assassin" is a derivative of the word "Hashish".

For those not aware the Assassins were an ancient middle eastern tribe who were famed for their assassination skills, much like the Japanese Ninja. They were just as famous for their use of hashish, hence the moniker.

Didn't know that about the Vikings and Scythians though.

You know a very interesting archaelogical/historical research project would be to look at the use of MJ throughout history.

I remember reading that around the time of Jesus, that all their clothes and shoes, ropes etc were made out of hemp.

Now when you grow that stuff the same way we grow cotton, you would have to find as many uses for it as possible wouldn't you?

I suspect a fair bit was used for medicinal/pain relief purposes back then too, especially when you consider the use of botanical herbs for this in every culture around the world through the ages.

Especially when you consider that marijuana was only demonised in the 20th Century.

 

[Mofra]

Captain Cook was a pot smoker. There was an anecdote (not sure of the validity) of him cutting up a damaged sail on his last voyage to Hawaii to untreat & smoke (the sails were all made of hemp in those days).

Of course, it makes sense when you think about it - he gave the honour of the first man from his ship to step ashore on mainland Australia to Joseph banks; his botanist

 

[wayneL]

Not to mention a hectare of hemp will produce the same amount of paper as 4 hectares of platation pine.

It seems insane that the industrial variety of hemp is not extensively grown.

You would have to smoke a whole hectare to get high apparently.

 

[bunyip]

Captain Cook was a pot smoker. There was an anecdote (not sure of the validity) of him cutting up a damaged sail on his last voyage to Hawaii to untreat & smoke (the sails were all made of hemp in those days).

Of course, it makes sense when you think about it - he gave the honour of the first man from his ship to step ashore on mainland Australia to Joseph banks; his botanist

Perhaps that explains why Cook's judgement became so adversely affected in the end!
Apparently he became increasingly moody and irrational and difficult to work with as time went on. I read somewhere that he cut off the ears of a crew member for some minor misdemeanour.
He got himself killed in Hawaii through his own errors of judgement in dealing with the natives.

 

[Bafana]

Legalise it - Never a hangover again I shall have...

 

[wayneL]

Myths and Facts? http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Obviously a pro-weed site, but for your perusal.

Top Five Marijuana Myths

Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness
Marijuana Is Highly Addictive
Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past
Marijuana Offenses Are Not Severely Punished
Marijuana Is More Damaging to the Lungs Than Tobacco

More Marijuana Myths

Marijuana Has No Medicinal Value
Marijuana Is a Gateway Drug
Marijuana's Harms Have Been Proved Scientifically
Marijuana Causes an Amotivational Syndrome
Marijuana Policy in the Netherlands is a Failure
Marijuana Kills Brain Cells
Marijuana Impairs Memory and Cognition
Marijuana Causes Crime
Marijuana Interferes With Male and Female Sex Hormones
Marijuana Use During Pregnancy Damages the Fetus
Marijuana Use Impairs the Immune System
Marijuana's Active Ingredient, THC, Gets Trapped in Body Fat
Marijuana Use is a Major Cause Of Highway Accidents
Marijuana Related Hospital Emergencies Are Increasing, Particularly Among Youth
Marijuana Use Can Be Prevented

 

[theasxgorilla]

Myths and Facts? http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/

Obviously a pro-weed site, but for your perusal.

Re: point 4 on your list. I found this article uplifting when I read it. Clearly California and Europe is not the USA though.

http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14845095

 

[Mofra]

Perhaps that explains why Cook's judgement became so adversely affected in the end!
Apparently he became increasingly moody and irrational and difficult to work with as time went on. I read somewhere that he cut off the ears of a crew member for some minor misdemeanour.
He got himself killed in Hawaii through his own errors of judgement in dealing with the natives.

Yeah, if only he had some weed to chill him out, he would have survived

 

[Mofra]

It seems insane that the industrial variety of hemp is not extensively grown.

You would have to smoke a whole hectare to get high apparently.

The crops have been modified to have almost no THC in them. Unfortunately the word hemp seems to have a poor association with it so it is a policially charged decision to make, and conservatives tend to avoid anything associated with the Left.

 

[Atlas79]

Any prohibitionists please name one incident where a person stoned on weed has harmed another person other than themselves.

If you would include for instance violence done during psychotic episodes, you may find a vast catalogue of violent acts to pick and choose from, some of them truly hideous.

I have known plenty of violently inclined people who were daily users. Some of them became schizophrenic. Legitimizing the drug via the law is a bad idea. The law may deter some young users before they are too heavily into the habit.

People cite taxes as a material gain. I'm guessing the many millions spent is already taxed one way or another along the way. But you are also losing human resources if enterprising young people are too "relaxed" to be ambitious. Picture a dozen of our great achievers, money makers, empire builders, etc. Picture them instead of pursuing their vocations, sitting on a couch playing X-box and coughing.

 

[Krusty the Klown]

I have known plenty of violently inclined people who were daily users. Some of them became schizophrenic. Legitimizing the drug via the law is a bad idea. The law may deter some young users before they are too heavily into the habit.

Were they violently inclined before ever using weed?

People cite taxes as a material gain. I'm guessing the many millions spent is already taxed one way or another along the way. But you are also losing human resources if enterprising young people are too "relaxed" to be ambitious. Picture a dozen of our great achievers, money makers, empire builders, etc. Picture them instead of pursuing their vocations, sitting on a couch playing X-box and coughing.

Marijuana was only made illegal in the 20th century. The human race still had all these high achievers before then.

 

[Mr J]

But you are also losing human resources if enterprising young people are too "relaxed" to be ambitious. Picture a dozen of our great achievers, money makers, empire builders, etc. Picture them instead of pursuing their vocations, sitting on a couch playing X-box and coughing.

1. People who want to smoke marijuana will tend to do so regardless of whether or not it is illegal.
2. The Netherlands don't seem to have a problem with it.
3. Why do you think marijuana would be any more destructive than alcohol? The sensible people will use it in moderation or not at all. Also, quite a few greater achievers have been known to get high in their time :.

 

[awg]

Something I had forgotten, but remembered recently when a friend suffered very ill effects from drinking.

Marijuana is THE most effective cure for severe hangovers that involve nausea or vomiting.

Something in it numbs the part of the brain that commands the stomach to throw up, so in the case someone cant stop retching, an infusion of cannabis smoke works excellently.

I suppose thats why it is used medicinally for nausea from chemotherapy etc, and was used extensivly as a tincture in the 19th century.

It seems to alleviate many other hangover symptons as well

said person was amazed and thankful

I would have no hesitation recommend it to anyone as an anti-emetic.

 

[nulla nulla]

Something I had forgotten, but remembered recently when a friend suffered very ill effects from drinking.

Marijuana is THE most effective cure for severe hangovers that involve nausea or vomiting.

Something in it numbs the part of the brain that commands the stomach to throw up, so in the case someone cant stop retching, an infusion of cannabis smoke works excellently.

I suppose thats why it is used medicinally for nausea from chemotherapy etc, and was used extensivly as a tincture in the 19th century.

It seems to alleviate many other hangover symptons as well

said person was amazed and thankful

I would have no hesitation recommend it to anyone as an anti-emetic.

Your post is a little bit at odds with people that have over-indulged in smoking marijana and then experienced spinning out and throwing up.

 

[awg]

Your post is a little bit at odds with people that have over-indulged in smoking marijana and then experienced spinning out and throwing up.

True, I have heard of that phenomena, and even seen it happen to people.

Perhaps it would have been more accurate to say "something in the cannabis ...affects... the vomiting response".

It seems to be to do with the dosage, order and timing.

The people I saw who got sick were drunk and then smoked, or smoked too much..tobacco will also cause the same spin out effect to many people

I dont think the anti-nausea properties of cannabis are much disputed in respect of chemotherapy.

for use as an anti-emetic, which means you are already vomiting, dosage should be small.

Also, like most "medicines" it could me more or less effective, with diffrent side-effects for individuals

 

[nunthewiser]

OH LIKE WOW MAN!!

I havent had a choooof in yonks and then all of a sudden i did and like wow this thread got brought back up like all of a sudden like ........

man this is really like karma and stuff

awwww fark hang on this is a bit strange

WTF IS GOING ON !!!??

why are you all looking at me??

 

[awg]

OH LIKE WOW MAN!!

IS GOING ON !!!??

why are you all looking at me??

Conroys Internet plan, allows remote webcam switching.

you are under surveilance, and could be detained for unspecified offences for an unknown time

ps. Conroy really reminds me of a prominent Nazi, in many ways..cant remember who it was though,my nazi history is not as good as it could be.. was it Goebbels?

 

[Mofra]

Your post is a little bit at odds with people that have over-indulged in smoking marijana and then experienced spinning out and throwing up.

Bolded the operative word. Almost anything in high proportion is going to make you feel ill - personally I avoid junk food because I know how it makes me feel if I have it more than once in a blue moon.