Legalising Marijuana

[manuelg]

There must be a reason why society has agreed that this particular plant must not be taken freely by whoever wishes so. We have touched on the side effects such as psychological damage and lung disease but what is the one real reason? I can`t think of one apart from the harm it would cause youths trying and habituating. Socially disruptive maybe.

If you do some research into the issue there are many reasons why it is illeagal but few of them are scientific (or logical). The original reasonings were influenced by the American Burea of Narcotics in the 20's/30's and are almost entirely political (with later reasoning that took on a decidedly racist tone).

An interesting quote from a 1934 New york newspaper - “Marihuana influences Negroes to look at white people in the eye, step on white men’s shadows and look at a white woman twice.”

And a quote by Harry Anslinger, the head of the Burea of Narcotics at the time - “…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”

The history of american drug illegalisation is interesting and incredibly illogical. If it weren't for the popularity of alcohol at the time, it could easily be as maligned as marijana now.

 

[awg]

Something I didnt see mentioned, may have been, but what I have noticed is very prevalent and harmful, is the frequent mixing of cannabis with tobacco.

This often causes the person to be a complete and hopeless addict, if they are a regular user.

The persons who I know of, that are not "addicted", dont mix the two together, to the best of my knowledge.

I have been advised by several persons that work in the mental health industry, that tobacco usage amongs schizophrenics approaches 100%.

and that smoking anything is correlated with increased incidence of mental illness.

I suspect that the bad-tempered users/addicts mentioned are mixers..."chuff smokers", who need their hit of nicotine.

The few true stoners I have known, never seen them act angry, mellow hippy types

 

[derty]

I suspect that the bad-tempered users/addicts mentioned are mixers..."chuff smokers", who need their hit of nicotine.

I agree, I had some mates who, while were not cigarette smokers, would spin their dope with tobacco. When they couldn't get any pot they would become extremely irritable. Others, who did smoke cigarettes, would not become irritable when they did not have any pot. We quickly realised that they were addicted to nicotine.

With the potency and cost of pot these days I doubt if there are many who don't mix their dope with tobacco.

 

[Chris45]

So here is my proposal. Ban alcohol and replace it with pot.

I GUARANTEE there will be less domestic violence, less violence at sporting venues, less youth violence, less gang rape, less violence at mass gatherings... in fact less violence in general.

You've never heard of a pot smoker going on a rampage have you? It's always a drunken rampage.....

If this proposal saves one life or one woman from getting bashed or raped then it is worth it and the community wins.

Good point Krusty! (Except for the bit about replacing it with pot.) So ....., who's going to start a poll about banning alcohol?

Your solution for the ugly people is an old and proven method.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Your solution for the ugly people is an old and proven method.

Come on now. Paper bags have been long gone and now replaced by plastic bags. Sheesh, you oldies.

 

[awg]

We quickly realised that they were addicted to nicotine.

With the potency and cost of pot these days I doubt if there are many who don't mix their dope with tobacco.

Yes, my understanding it is almost universal nowadays, (and traditional as well, in Middle East etc.)

Stupid thing is for non-tobacco users, it is difficult to smoke mix, as the tobacco causes headspins and nausea, which can only be overcome by habituation ( a bit like heroin eh)

One of the big problems for young people to, is that nowadays many jobs require drug testing, and marijuana, being fat soluble, has a residual effect, in excess of the psychotropic effect..bad for your career to have that on your record.

Same for driving, which dope smoking does adversly affect.

Being illegal, presumably any measurable quantity in your system constitutes an offence.

Just got in trouble off my son..he wanted me to buy Coke..told him I dont buy Coke, just drink water

 

[Chris45]

Come on now. Paper bags have been long gone and now replaced by plastic bags. Sheesh, you oldies.

Yes ... but plastic bags tend to result in suffocation. I guess that when my dwindling supply of paper bags runs out I'll have to resort to wearing a blindfold.

 

[Krusty the Klown]

Yes, my understanding it is almost universal nowadays, (and traditional as well, in Middle East etc.)

Stupid thing is for non-tobacco users, it is difficult to smoke mix, as the tobacco causes headspins and nausea, which can only be overcome by habituation ( a bit like heroin eh)

awg, your last few posts were very well informed, accurate and logical.

I remember when I used to smoke quite a lot I was a non-tobacco smoker, I used to hate it when the pot was mixed with tobacco. It used to make me dizzy, sick in the stomach, and I vomited on more than one occasion. When it was pure pot, no problem.

I agree wholeheartedly with the your statements. I have seen non-tobacco smoker friends, seemingly get addicted to pot, but they always mixed the pot with tobacco to make their stash last longer and save money.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I reckon if I had a choice of banning weed or grog, I'd ban grog.

gg

 

[Krusty the Klown]

I reckon if I had a choice of banning weed or grog, I'd ban grog.

gg

I agree gg, much better high, no loss of self control (ie no blackouts) and no hangover and less pregnancies.

Yes, you read right, one of the physical effects of alcohol on the female body is that it raises the level of testosterone in the blood, which increases a female's sexual appetite to that of a male.

In fact I would be quite happy to live in a world of illegal alcohol, even though I have no problem with marijuana. I do not condone the use of all drugs. Just pot and only for people over 18 - the same as religion.

Are there any prohibitionists out there who are ex-users or current users?

Or have all contributing prohibitionists never tried it?

 

[GumbyLearner]

I reckon if I had a choice of banning weed or grog, I'd ban grog.

gg

No offence intended gg. But wouldn't that contradict your avatar? LOL

 

[Krusty the Klown]

Yes ... but plastic bags tend to result in suffocation.

And you can still see through a plastic bag. :

 

[Krusty the Klown]

No offence intended gg. But wouldn't that contradict your avatar? LOL

LOL, very astute!!!!!!

 

[Wysiwyg]

Yes ... but plastic bags tend to result in suffocation.

Oh no. Simply pierce the bag with several small holes for ventilation. Ordinary table forks or skewers suffice as the holes need to be kept small (can't have peaking now) and once the head is covered it is simply a matter of maintaining a regular breathing pattern consistent with those applied in yoga teachings.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I reckon if I had a choice of banning weed or grog, I'd ban grog.

gg

No offence intended gg. But wouldn't that contradict your avatar? LOL

LOL, very astute!!!!!!

Not really, think about it.

Grog is banned.

People need grog

Ergo....

gg

 

[awg]

I reckon if I had a choice of banning weed or grog, I'd ban grog.

gg

I have a notion they have "defacto" done this in many aboriginal communities.

This account was a personal source who is very well informed.

According to him, where the land is now controlled by the local community, grass growing is often tolerated and not pursued by authorities, within reason.

The terrible harm from grog in the aboriginal communities is fairly well known, and has resulted in prohibition.

 

[Chris45]

And you can still see through a plastic bag. :

Yes, and as if it wasn't difficult enough already, I must confess the bulging eyes and purple skin was a major turn off!

 

[stockGURU]

I think we need to lighten up this thread a little.

 

[Putty7]

If the government of the day could work out how to tax marijuana the same way they tax cigarettes and alcohol it would already be legal

 

[Krusty the Klown]

I think we need to lighten up this thread a little.

Absolutely hilarious!!!!!

Nice one Guru!!!!!