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A common aspect of climate science denial is obfuscation.It would not matter if you TOOK someone back in time, even back 260 million years ago when the air was NOT breathable ... and still they would dispute it.
In the course of 500 or more posts, back and forth discussions, it has not mattered what FACTS you, I and others presented or the 200 plus scientific organizations referred to which produce the SAME data and the fact they are in 20 different nations. There is NO convincing or even reasoning or a single inch given.
NOT one singe inch, acceptance or even questioning of their own beliefs or understanding. All 20,000 scientists in 30 different fields are ALL faking it. Talk about absurd conspiracy theories !!
I did so enjoy learning ... LEARNING from both sides, until I gave up contributing. I am as always amazed by humans and that NO QUESTIONING ... occurred, and clearly so .. when opinions were given, not science and science and factual data presented back, for some .... belief or dogma outweigh all else.
I learnt from the deniers by yet again going back and examining my own beliefs, their data, cut and paste stuff, examining data from 3,4,5 and even 20 organizations on temperature, ice and other things and comparing them to claimed opinions. Always good to do this, but ... when it went on ... and on ... and still goes on ? One side claims the sky is blue as does 99.99% of the world and the other ... its not, is where this thread is.
"....this is the fastest calving glacier in the world, it's advancing about 45m a week..twice as fast as it was 10 years ago"
from netflix our planet
watch on a full screen
enjoying your new-found attempt at sarcasm (like that!)Here we go, another bit of 'unbiased' propaganda from WWF and Silverback films.
Wheeling out David Attenborough to do the voice over for totally unsubstantiated claims. Just say it, just say it loud enough, just say it often enough, just get someone with a broadcasters voice to say it with authority, no-one will question it! It must be true!
I am wondering if this clip was actually from some ancient film Attenborough narrated decades ago.
It is all so predictable.
Some of the small lies used to perpetuate the big lie include:
- Sea levels are rising at an increasing rate.
I don't wish to mislead or confuse people.
A common aspect of climate science denial is obfuscation.
Apparently all (or nearly all) scientists agree with Sadjii. I was never able to work out what exactly they were agreeing on - the goalposts shifted from post to post.
The other aspect of denial is to use irrelvances.
What is an alarmist?It shows how absurd the alarmists are, how extreme the mainstream narrative is, and how scientifically illiterate and naive people like you are, when literally just going with what the actual climate scientists say gets you called a 'climate science denier'!
Joules, would you be kind enough to link to any post where I said this please? I don't verbal you, please do not verbal me.Ann says "all scientists are trying to be as smart as me but...."
There is no such thing, Ann. Why do you carry on this farce. Scientist are presenting the science.Scientists have very little input into this whole GW political agenda.
This is sheer ignorance. Climate science is one of the worst areas, financially, for people getting higher qualifications. If these people were out to make money they would choose more rewarding paths as job opportunities are few and far between.Political interests are paying for the science and science has to deliver the outcomes their Masters require.
These scientists are amongst the highest paid in the word, and they are employed by massive, highly profitable, conglomerates.One only needs to look at Big Pharma to see how it all works.
Clearly it is not as there is no such international tax.It is purely a way to add an international tax on to individual countries, their populations and business. Not to see this is naive in the first degree.
Scientists have very little input into this whole GW political agenda.
One only needs to look at Big Pharma to see how it all works
If there is a negative scientific outcome for one of their drugs it is never published
What is an alarmist?
The mainstream narrative is not the science - you are supposed to be a scientist.
And when it comes to scientific illiteracy, your comments have been proven to be false on many occasions in this thread.
So false are your claims that you say you agree with the scientists on many points, but you don't even understand why GHGs are the most important issue requiring action be taken.
Exactly what is it that you agree with regarding the science on climate change, seeing you have got just about everything wrong?
You really do not have a clue about science, despite what you think.Most people follow what the mainstream and social media say, which is a massive exaggeration of the science, and the science itself is biased to the alarmist side....
Not at all. You do not believe that the pace of warming is unprecedented, and you have a view on GHGs which is not accepted by climate science.You're asking for a massive answer there.
We are talking about the science here - not about what lay observers think. I can link to more science papers - I thought 3 was enough so far - to show that your claim is false.Some of the specific things which I disagree with most laymen on and agree with the climate scientists on are the history of the climate (over the last few hundred million years) and the fact that the current climate is not exceeding natural limits in terms of rate of change or extremity.
By you presumably, as what they present is very clear.The climate scientists' words are often twisted and misrepresented.
Probably because no climate scientist has ever made that claim - it's one unique to folk who make up stuff....and that the world is now hotter than ever (utterly, utterly untrue, and again, no climate scientist will make this claim).
Another blatant lie - I have never read this nonsense in mainstream media.However, the mainstream narrative pushes both of these beliefs.
Would you like the facts to prove you wrong, yet again, or would you like to find out for yourself.Obviously CO2 is a greenhouse gas (not by any means the most important one) and obviously the greenhouse effect is extremely important to our climate.
False. After earth formation and once the planet was habitable there is zero evidence for that claim. Moreover, the habitable planet has no periods where high CO2 levels inconsistent with warming.But, we do know that the climate has violently fluctuated throughout the entire time, often without CO2 fluctuations.
I started the discussion with the IEA energy report. The IEA is considered an independent world authority on energy resources. It is certainly no Government think tank. If anything it is aligned to the fossil fuel industry
If you look at its research and publications you'll find a number of extensive analysis of energy issues.
It just so happens that the major issue they are highlighting right now is the extreme risk of unstoppable global warming if we don't make drastic changes to how we produce energy.
And the response to date from the usual suspects (not everyone of course) is that the IEA has got it absolutely and totally wrong. That global warming on the scale they are suggesting will never happen. That we have nothing to worry about.
Big call.
Scientists have very little input into this whole GW political agenda
Scientist are presenting the science.
Climate science is one of the worst areas, financially, for people getting higher qualifications. If these people were out to make money they would choose more rewarding paths as job opportunities are few and far between.
One only needs to look at Big Pharma to see how it all works.
These scientists are amongst the highest paid in the word, and they are employed by massive, highly profitable, conglomerates.
It is purely a way to add an international tax on to individual countries, their populations and business. Not to see this is naive in the first degree.
Clearly it is not as there is no such international tax.
You really do not have a clue about science, despite what you think.
Science is based on science.
Not at all. You do not believe that the pace of warming is unprecedented, and you have a view on GHGs which is not accepted by climate science.
We are talking about the science here - not about what lay observers think. I can link to more science papers - I thought 3 was enough so far - to show that your claim is false.
By you presumably, as what they present is very clear.
Probably because no climate scientist has ever made that claim - it's one unique to folk who make up stuff.
Another blatant lie - I have never read this nonsense in mainstream media.
Would you like the facts to prove you wrong, yet again, or would you like to find out for yourself.
I will give you some time and see how you go.
False. After earth formation and once the planet was habitable there is zero evidence for that claim. Moreover, the habitable planet has no periods where high CO2 levels were cold.
The peer review process resolves these concerns.It should be, but unfortunately it's not. Scientists are human beings. They still need to make money, they still have egos. They still have basic human errors, they still make mistakes.
Do I need to give another link to show your claim is false?It's not unprecedented. Climate scientists don't think it is.
Water vapour is a feedback.You can get all emotional and silly like this, despite being wrong, but it's not conducive to a good discussion. Water vapour is the most important greenhouse gas, not CO2.
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