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Is Global Warming becoming unstoppable?

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qldfrog said:
We have bigger problems and overpopulation is at the core of the real ones
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I agree with that completely frog, the more we populate the more we increase deforestation to feed the masses.
Now we are going to remove more trees and shrubs to install solar farms, then the population keeps growing and we keep taking more of the Worlds CO2 sink, to feed and supply power to the increased population.
Then all of a sudden, we haven't got the plants, to actually deal with the C02 we are producing.
Until humans stop increasing their footprint on the Earth there is no hope, simple equation of 'the balance of nature', it isn't coal fired power stations causing the problem (though they are adding to it).
It is the constant urban sprawl to house people and the deforestation to feed them.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/deforestation/
The problem is the 'chanters' are fixated on electricity, when in reality they should be demanding the Government not lease marginal land for farming and a buyback scheme for farmers on marginal land.
Then have tree planting programs in place to rehabilitate the land, the 'chanters' could actually do something useful and help with the planting, if they could drag themselves away from the Sydney and Melbourne.
The Government could legislate, that all new buildings must be fitted with solar panels and where possible the roof face North. New estate developments should require an equivalent amount of tree planting in a Government allocated area Easy to do in reality.
Instead we are going headlong, to clear more land to fix what in reality can be fixed naturally and in a more controlled manner.
It will be self resolving, when we are gone.
 
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qldfrog said:
I am not even sure that my chinese colleagues have heard about Co2 links to climate change.
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I think that aspect is greatly overlooked in all this.

Not referring to China specifically but to anywhere that isn't a wealthy Western democracy. Ask someone about CO2 and they might know what it is and that we're all breathing it out but good chance they've never heard that that there's any sort of serious problem with it.

Likewise there are still places today where manual workers are using asbestos completely unaware that there's any danger associated with it. They'd be truly shocked if they knew that the danger is well accepted to the point of it being outright banned in many countries.

Same with a lot of things. Eg some processed food products are in some countries made with ingredients widely seen as unhealthy in the West. A bag of potato chips will do you far more or less harm depending on what country you buy it in.

And likewise there are rather a lot of people invested in shares through superannuation or other means who'd give you a blank stare if you mentioned pretty much any technical indicator or pattern.

For that matter there are many with zero knowledge of bonds and by that I mean zero - they've no idea what a bond is but have some vague idea that dealing with them would likely land you in jail for a very long time if caught. They've only ever heard the term mentioned in a negative context and thus want nothing to do with them.

Never underestimate the level of ignorance on any subject.
 
sptrawler said:
The problem is the 'chanters' are fixated on electricity, when in reality they should be demanding the Government not lease marginal land for farming and a buyback scheme for farmers on marginal land.
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There's an easy focus on electricity because it's a technology fix that requires basically no involvement from 99% of the population. All sounds very easy and reassuring.

In contrast, tell people that the plan is to produce less food and shrink the cities and that inevitably forces a realisation that it means fewer people. That's a far more uncomfortable reality in a world where pretty much everything is geared toward constant growth.
 
The denialists have no capacity to argue the science so instead present a stream of diversions.
Thunberg happens to be very bright and well informed on climate science, which cannot be said for the countless years of dross you have added to ASF threads.
 
basilio said:
Always interesting to see how politicians and papers ignore recent research and decide everything is hunkdory becasue they just saw some pretty coral ...
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The are like the children who cover their eyes thinking nobody can see them.
 
Amazon has been burning for three weeks straight and it just makes the news now.
 
Time to start moving uphill. Amazon burns. Global heating will intensify, Greenland/Antarctica melts.
(Don't worry. Minimal effect on investments and stock markets or political situations. And The International Trump Team will tell you it ain't gonna happen...)

Climate change evacuation planning needs to start now, urges scientists

From Bangladesh to the Philippines and the low-lying islands of the South Pacific, the impacts of climate change for many people around the world are going to get much worse, very soon.

Key points
  • Preparing now can prevent last-minute disorderly evacuation from climate impacts
  • Building in areas that will be hit by climate disasters in future needs to stop
  • Millions are expected to be displaced by the end of the century
Some people will become stateless, and will need to find homes in new countries, while others will need to relocate within their own borders.

Researchers writing in Science today argue that it's time to begin preparing the retreat of people living in regions that will become uninhabitable due to climate change.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-08-23/climate-retreat-planning-science/11435382
 
Alaska Reels During Summer of Fire, Heat and Floods
The impacts of a changing climate have been evident around the state all season

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — "Welcome aboard Alaska Airlines Flight 109 to smoky Anchorage," a voice said over the loudspeaker as travelers boarded a plane in Fairbanks.

The skies turned from blue to dark gray halfway through the 260-mile flight, shrouding the stunning vistas below. Then they disappeared altogether. In the final two minutes, as the wheels reached for the runway at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport, the smell of smoke filled the pressurized cabin of the Boeing 737 and an eerie orange colored the Alaskan landscape.

Welcome to the Last Frontier, where record-breaking heat is shattering temperature records.

Alaska's average temperature in July was 58.1 degrees Fahrenheit — 5.4 degrees above the average and nearly 1 degree higher than the previous high set in July 2004 (Climatewire, Aug. 19).

Scientists say that's contributing to the wildfires that are burning around Anchorage and on the Kenai Peninsula to the south. The blazes, fed by an unusually dry summer and high winds, have closed highways and stranded tourists in their cars.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/alaska-reels-during-summer-of-fire-heat-and-floods/
 
interesting, let's find data.it would be nice to remember also that every year, this is the same story with Indonesia burning down Borneo to produce palm oil for your vegan burgers or chocolate , and choking Singapore..but Indonesia does not have a white male right leader so not PC to criticise
 
There is plenty of criticism of Indonesia for this.
 
wayneL said:
Hurrumph
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It's been terrible for years. If you look on Google earth you can see the huge chunks being taken out year by year. The new leader though has opened the gates more.
Stop this culture war excuses.
 
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