You raise an interesting point.
I have on occasions read that breastfeeding infants gain some benefit from the mother's immunities.
However, I am uncertain as to the extent to which those claims have been scientifically substantiated.
So in the absence of further corroborative information regarding the aforementioned claim/s, I presume that there would indeed be some vulnerability.
Having said all that, how exactly does this alter the point I was raising?
"If they [vaccines] only work for some children, then any impervious child will surely pose equal risk to others.
Are we to alienate those children also?"
Are infants under vaccination age vulnerable?
If so then the warped logic (behind proposals to alienate members of the community) could equally apply to those infants!
the video I uploaded above talks about this point, the vaccinations will not work on about 3% of people, however herd protection will still protect these children most likely, however adding unvaccinated children into the mix greatly increases the chance that the unvaccinated will act as an unnecessary vector and break down the protection of the herd.
Yes that was quite an amusing little video!
However, the information presented did not offer compelling substantiation of the concept/theory of herd immunity.
For example, the beneficial impact of dramatic improvements to sanitation etc. seem to have been conveniently overlooked in the interpretation of statistics offered in support of this somewhat questionable herd immunity theory.
VC, I do understand that some people like to believe that certain cherished opinions are grounded in (or perhaps even synonymous with) proven facts.
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What part of herd protection do you doubt?
Do you think a person who has immunity, has the same chance of becoming a vector as a person who has no immunity?
8% of any large population is a lot of people!!! I fail to understand how the extinction of any communicable disease could be guaranteed (let alone proven!), especially considering the speed with which people are now able to travel and interact.
But hey, some people like to believe that "when you wish upon a star - dreams come true"!
8% of any large population is a lot of people!!! I fail to understand how the extinction of any communicable disease could be guaranteed (let alone proven!), especially considering the speed with which people are now able to travel and interact.
But hey, some people like to believe that "when you wish upon a star - dreams come true"!
Yes! That is an interesting observation!Well, smallpox is gone, apart from the samples that the US and Russia still keep. I suppose it could rear up again but so far it hasn't been seen since 1979.
The point I am making is that vaccinations have been proven to work in the vast majority of people, that's a fact.
Also, when a person has immunity because they have been vaccinated, they have far less chance of becoming a vector, that's a fact.
So, when a person is vaccinated and they come in contact with an infected person, the fact that they are immune, means they have extremely reduced chance of carrying that virus from the infected person, to other none infected people.
That's herd protection right there.
If you want to prove herd protection wrong, all you have to do is show that being immune to a disease, does not reduce your risk of passing it on, However all the evidence suggests that being immune does infact reduce your chance of passing on the virus.
If you knew that you were personally vulnerable to a disease, and had absolutely no immunity, would you prefer to live in a society where 95% of other people were immune and won't spread the disease, or a society where 100% of the population had no immunity and all could be vectors?
If you said you would rather live in the society where 95% of people can't pass the disease to you, then congratulations, you understand herd protection.
Yes! That is an interesting observation!
However, does the recognition of one such statistical correlation conclusively prove that vaccination was the only factor contributing to the extinction of any particular disease.
I've no doubt that you've also observed the extent to which society and human activity has changed during the last century.
I'm sure that other equally interesting statistical correlations may be drawn between disease reduction and technological and/or societal changes that have occurred during this past century.
I do not share your confidence in many of these things that you seem to confidently assert as fact.
To the best of my understanding, herd immunity might be achievable for some diseases depending upon the nature of the disease and the typical behavior of the herd species.
However, 8% of a human population that likes to commute on crowded transport through highly populated cities and fly all around the globe - dream on!!!
"To dream the impossible dream..."
So I ask again, would you want to be on the train or plane with the 95% with immunity, or the 100% unvaccinated?
Just a simple straight answer would be nice.
However, 8% of a human population that likes to commute on crowded transport through highly populated cities and fly all around the globe - dream on!!!
.However, now that I know that some vaccinations for some diseases can result in a person being infectious to others, my preference would lean towards being amongst the unvaccinated
{Heavy sigh!}.
Cynic, you truely are very silly, for someone who tries to act like they understand science and simple maths, you say some really stupid things.
Those unwilling to receive answers shouldn't ask questions!
{Heavy sigh!}
It seems that some posters simply never change!
As has been said so many times before:
Yes! That is an interesting observation!
However, does the recognition of one such statistical correlation conclusively prove that vaccination was the only factor contributing to the extinction of any particular disease.
I've no doubt that you've also observed the extent to which society and human activity has changed during the last century.
I'm sure that other equally interesting statistical correlations may be drawn between disease reduction and technological and/or societal changes that have occurred during this past century.
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