What makes you so certain that these diseases were vaccine preventable?Then how does one explain the regular outbreaks of various vaccine preventable diseases?
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Given that questions regarding eradication causation remain open, I fail to understand how anybody could so much as claim to be able to proffer a definitive answer to your question.And how many deaths prevented due to eradication?
Given that questions regarding eradication causation remain open, I fail to understand how anybody could so much as claim to be able to proffer a definitive answer to your question.
So your argument is that 16000 years of small pox within humanity and somehow being able to wash our hands and eat enough calories a day is the major contributor to the virus going extinct in the wild?
So your argument is that 16000 years of small pox within humanity and somehow being able to wash our hands and eat enough calories a day is the major contributor to the virus going extinct in the wild?
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I'm saying that there were other factors that may have contributed to the eradication of those diseases and ideally should also be considered when attempting to conclude causation.
(Please note that there is a chasm of difference between the meaning of the words "may" and "can".)
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Much has changed and despite my deep concerns regarding vaccination, I still like to believe that some of it may have been beneficial for some (or perhaps even many) members of the populace.
However, numerous societal advancements during those years do render the question of causation difficult to conclusively settle from statistical correlations.
This is getting repetitious.
Have I not already voiced my concerns regarding the failure of some to distinguish between correlation and causation?
Have I not also drawn attention to the fact that there were numerous beneficial changes throughout the past century that, ideally, need to be considered when trying to determine causation?
I hope by now you can understand why I consider it unwise to become too attached to opinions regarding the likely causation behind the eradication of the diseases you mention.
I wonder what fantasy story he can construct to explain why Polio has been eradicated everywhere except the one place where the vaccine can not be distributed due to Islamic fanatics killing aid workers.
Concerns about viral reversion to neurovirulence have been bolstered recently by three separate reports. An outbreak of 21 cases of polio in the Dominican Republic and Haiti which began in October 2000,16 has been shown to be associated with a vaccine-derived poliovirus type 1, which had recovered the capacity to cause paralytic disease. A retrospective study of polioviruses circulating in Egypt between 1982 and 1993 demonstrated that a vaccine derived poliovirus type 2 was associated with 32 cases of polio.17 A third outbreak of paralytic disease associated with vaccine derived poliovirus occurred in October 2001 in the Philippines, where 3 children were infected with a poliovirus type 1 variant.18 The occurrence of variant neurovirulent polioviruses in populations with low vaccination rates in three different geographic areas raise concerns that these could be more widely spread.
Who's fantasizing here?
(Note: I've taken the liberty of bolding some statements which have serious implications!)
Given that the aforequoted paragraph appears in the following publication:
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/cda-pubs-cdi-2002-cdi2602-cdi2602a.htm
..who's fantasizing now?
So how many cases of polio have been caused by vaccination? and how many cases have been prevented now and into the future considering polio is virtually eradicated?
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and before you go on a poe's law tangent about the cornering of polio to not being due to the vaccinations, please explain why it is you think polio now only exists in the one part of the world where we can't safely give out vaccinations.
By now the participants of this thread will already be well aware that vaccines aren't 100% effective.
Knowing this, one might reasonably ask just how effective are they?
Historically = very.
I bet the native americans would have liked a shot before the Europeans came knocking.....and the Martians at the zenith of The War of The Worlds.
Seriously there are still remnants of polio victims about, as a boy I watched a mother down the street slowly succumb to TB, people not so long ago died frequently of the flu, ...these are sample diseases that don't make a race stronger by weeding out the weak, they just kill indiscriminately.
Interestingly enough, some decades and several diseases ago, I might have actually agreed with your perspective on this!
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What made you second guess what I see as common sense predicated on empirical success:- millions saved, the few succumbed.
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By now the participants of this thread will already be well aware that vaccines aren't 100% effective.
It was “the kind of cough that stops a parent’s heart,” says Tara Hills, who has seven children and has heard them cough many times before.
Just another cold, she thought at first. But her family’s journey into whooping cough treatment has forced them to re-examine what they believed about vaccination, knowledge and responsibility in a community.
Now the Hills family has gone public with their story, saying it’s important to help others understand the risks of not having vaccinations.
Their children, who range in age from 10 months to 10 years, were sick as April began. Most of the symptoms were just cold symptoms, Hills says. Runny noses, no fever.
“But it’s when they cough. This is a cough you’ve never heard before.”That’s why they arrived at CHEO at 4 a.m. on April 2. It took four days for the lab to confirm whooping cough, and antibiotic treatment began this Tuesday. The parents aren’t sick, but the kids are all confined to their home for five days, at which point Ottawa Public Health says they won’t be contagious.
Tara Hills was stunned. “I thought: Am I actually looking at whooping cough in the face? Could it be possible?”
The disease was one of those historical oddities she never even thought about dealing with, like smallpox or diphtheria.
But she and her husband, Gavin, had chosen not to have their children fully vaccinated ”” not through strong opposition, but more from uneasiness about the medical system.
Tara Hills wrote in a blog post about how they gave their first three children some vaccinations then stopped: “We stopped because we were scared and didn’t know who to trust. Was the medical community just paid=off puppets of a Big Pharma-Government-Media conspiracy? Were these vaccines even necessary in this day and age? Were we unwittingly doing greater harm than help to our beloved children? So much smoke must mean a fire so we defaulted to the ‘do nothing and hope nothing bad happens’ position.
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