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Guess its the only way they can keep a heavily electric dependant industry running.Construction of the world’s largest hydrogen electrolyser facility, to be built in Port Pirie, could begin in little more than a year, with an engineering study into the $750m project under way.
Global commodities company Trafigura, which owns the Nyrstar lead smelter at Port Pirie, and the state government will co-fund a $5m “front end engineering and design” study into building a hydrogen plant next to the current lead smelter.
Trafigura general manager Australia Tim Rogers said the company expected to be in a position to make a final investment decision on the project by the end of 2022, and with approvals in place, construction would start the following year.
The project would create 150-300 jobs during construction and up to 25 ongoing roles, and solidify Port Pirie’s future as an industrial hub, Mr Rogers said.
The project would be built out in stages, with the full-scale plant able to produce 100 tonnes per day of green hydrogen from a 440 megawatt electrolyser – a device which splits water into hydrogen and oxygen using renewably-sourced energy.
Sometimes. ya just can't win.A world desperate for a climate-friendly fuel is pinning its hopes on hydrogen, seeing it as a way to power factories, buildings, ships and planes without pumping carbon dioxide into the sky.
But now scientists are warning that hydrogen leaked into the atmosphere can contribute to climate change much like carbon. Depending on how it’s made, distributed and used, it could even make warming worse over the next few decades, even if carbon poses the bigger long-term threat. Any future hydrogen-based economy, they say, must be designed from the start to keep leaks of the gas to a minimum, or it risks adding to the very problem it’s supposed to solve. Some ideas now being tested, like shipping hydrogen in pipelines built to hold natural gas or burning it in individual homes, could cause an unacceptable level of leaks.
“The potency is a lot stronger than people realize,” said Ilissa Ocko, a climate scientist with the Environmental Defense Fund, a non-profit group. “We’re putting this on everyone’s radar now not to say ‘no’ to hydrogen but to think about how we deploy it.”
Hydrogen doesn’t trap heat directly, the way CO₂ does. Instead, when leaked it sets off a series of chemical reactions that warm the air, acting as an indirect greenhouse gas. And though it cycles out of the atmosphere far faster than carbon dioxide, which lingers for centuries, it can do more damage than CO₂ in the short term. Over 20 years, it has 33 times the global warming potential of an equal amount of carbon dioxide, according to a recent UK government report. Over hundreds of years, carbon is more dangerous, due to its longevity.
Hydrogen’s warming potential was never a problem before, as its use was largely limited to oil refineries and chemical or fertilizer plants. But now governments worldwide are investing billions to build a hydrogen economy, seeing the gas as one of the only options for decarbonizing many industries that can’t easily run on electricity. President Joe Biden has set aside $8 billion to build at least four “hydrogen hubs” where the fuel will be produced and used, and states are gearing up to compete. US utility companies that now deliver natural gas see it as a savior, announcing more than two dozen hydrogen pilot projects in the last two years.
Ok, so I just did some reading on this and the issue is a little complex, but I think hydrogen will be much better than fossil fuels, let me explain the issue.Bloombergs can see a potential problem with Hydrogen replacing fossil fuels, which of course cause climate change.
Bloombergs Climate Change
Sometimes. ya just can't win.
Mick
The future for Hydrogen is not as a general gas replacement and using existing low pressure gas pipes ro transport it is just dangerous.Bloombergs can see a potential problem with Hydrogen replacing fossil fuels, which of course cause climate change.
Bloombergs Climate Change
Sometimes. ya just can't win.
Mick
Ok, so I just did some reading on this and the issue is a little complex, but I think hydrogen will be much better than fossil fuels, let me explain the issue.
So two of the worst green house gases are Carbon dioxide and Methane, these gases retain heat in the atmosphere and will cause climate change.
Methane is about 25 times worse than Carbon dioxide at trapping heat, but over time methane breaks down into carbon dioxide using “Hydroxl Radicals” that exist in the atmosphere, so methane with have a half life of about 9 years.
Now Hydrogen itself does not trap heat like carbon or Methane, however hydrogen also uses Hydroxl radicals in its chemical reactions back to stable molecules.
So if a lot of hydrogen is leaked, it could cause Methane to break down at a slower rate, which would be bad for climate change.
The reason I don’t think this will be a big issue is
1. As we move away from fossil fuels we should be leaking less methane into the atmosphere from Oil and gas wells and coal mines.
2, you would think that the hydrogen leaks should be small compared to the amount of Carbon being emitted from the fuels it’s replacing. Eg even if it’s 33 times worse than Carbon dioxide it might be offsetting more than 33 times the amount of carbon, especially when you factor in leaks of methane.
3, once hydrogen does form other molecules, it doesn’t leave behind carbon, where as Methane does.
So over all Methane is the problem, which is leaked from Oil and gas wells even old abandoned ones, coal mines, decaying plastics, land fills and also animal factory farms. Atleast the hydrogen industry should reduce oil, gas and coal dependence over time, and therefore methane to
from a crowd that has a TLA, so they must punch well for their weight“Hydrogen has been described as the ‘Swiss Army knife’ of energy solutions, which is to say: it can do just about anything, but is not always the best tool for the job,”
H2EX, CSIRO to study “gold” hydrogen potential on Eyre Peninsula
Perth exploration start-up H2EX is tapping into the research expertise of Australia's national science agency as it steps up its bid to unearth “gold” hydrogen in South Australia.
The company has entered into a research agreement with the CSIRO in the search for naturally occurring hydrogen, after recently securing its first exploration licence on the Eyre Peninsula.
H2EX said the CSIRO would undertake a “desktop study” of the licence area - covering close to 6000sq m of land - as a first step towards understanding the natural hydrogen system in the region.
Historical drilling records indicate that hydrogen at up to 85 per cent purity could be tapped in the region.
The potential for natural hydrogen in Australia was underlined in a research paper published by the CSIRO and Geoscience Australia last year, which documents accidental discoveries of hydrogen across the country.
Natural hydrogen deposits form through chemical reactions underground, with the most well-known process being the oxidation between water and iron sediments.
Unlike “green” or “blue” hydrogen, which use energy and capital-intensive processes to extract hydrogen from water or natural gas, natural or “gold” hydrogen needs little processing and is potentially far cheaper and more energy-efficient to produce.
After adapting its resources legislation last year, South Australia remains the only state or territory where there is a legislative framework allowing companies to explore for natural hydrogen.
H2EX is one of a handful of companies that have since sought permits across the state, and according to advisory firm EnergyQuest, almost a third of the state is now covered by exploration licences or licence applications.
H2EX is progressing applications covering 32,000sq km.
The company’s co-founder and chief executive Mark Hanna said the CSIRO study on the Eyre Peninsula would be the first of its kind in the region, with the outcomes of the research expected by the end of the year.
“We are one of the first companies in the world to explore for natural hydrogen,” he said.
“This is an important step in finding clean energy sources created by Mother Nature for Australian local communities and industry.”
Mr Hanna, a former Woodside Petroleum executive, established H2EX alongside partner Greschen Brecker who is also ex-Woodside.
Former Woodside chief executive Peter Coleman, who chairs the board and is a major financial backer of the company, said the CSIRO was at the “forefront of natural hydrogen research and field work”.
The gold hydrogen push in South Australia is being led by Brisbane-based Gold Hydrogen, which was the first Australian company to secure a hydrogen exploration licence.
The company, which is aiming to drill for hydrogen on South Australia’s Yorke Peninsula and Kangaroo Island, recently brought in former foreign minister Alexander Downer to chair its board.
South Australia is positioning itself as a major hydrogen hub, with the state government planning its own $593m hydrogen production, storage and energy facility at Whyalla in the Upper Spencer Gulf.
AGL is also assessing the viability of a hydrogen hub at its Torrens Island power station site near Port Adelaide, with heavyweights Brickworks, Adbri and INPEX also on board.
Naturally-occurring hydrogen is currently produced at just one site globally, in Mali.
GIUSEPPE TAURIELLO BUSINESS REPORTER
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