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Financial Planners

With regard to how good various professionals are, that really depends to a very large extent on the individuals themselves. I think we've all met good and bad doctors, good and bad lawyers, good and bad accountants, etc. Professional associations can only do so much and sometimes are little more than 'self-protection societies.' And as only the few bad ones usually make it into the news, a whole profession can get tarred with the same brush. As the saying goes, "99% of lawyers give the 1% a bad name"
 
Stick with it, awg. You'll find it gets easier. I'm not sure why you find asset allocation difficult. It doesn't have to be complicated. It might not be, um, standard practice, but I allocate my funds to whatever is doing well at the time: i.e. when the market is rising, buy stocks in the sectors which are showing the most growth. That's the beauty of a SMSF - you can do whatever you want when you want.

The actual administrative stuff takes almost no time.


There are several threads discussing SMSF's.



I agree about doing the basic record keeping, but I like having an accountant.
I don't doubt that some of the mail order entities are OK, but I don't consider paying around $2000 p.a. for the tax return and audit plus any ongoing communications throughout the year with someone I like and trust to be unreasonable.
Just a matter of personal taste, I suppose.

I've also had the experience of a shonky accountant. She is about to appear before he Disciplinary Committee of CPA Australia as a result of a formal complaint I lodged.
This was something I'd never want to do again, and it would have been easier to walk away but there's just too much of this and consequently they keep up their dodgy behaviour.
 
I don't find my SMSF's administration excessive or demanding. I keep a minute book of all major decisions and reviews taken, and a spreadsheet of all transactions as I go along, and that's that. Come 30 June, I print the lot out for easy transcription into the requisite reports. And there's another thing that I have noticed is that psychologically I have developed quite a different attitude to the investments in my SMSF as opposed to those outside. I seem to apply a more disciplined and 'long-term' approach to those inside the SMSF. I took advantage of all the accelerated contributions in recent years, went into pension phase last financial year, and now enjoy not only tax freedom but also get all those beautiful franking credits back which is quite a nice feeling

There was quite a rush on in the accounting profession when this whole SMSF-business took off and many an inexperienced chap set himself up in this specialised field. I had to pull up my first accountant when he wanted to declare 15% contribution tax on all my contributions, not just the ones I had declared as concessional deductions in my personal return. It took me several emails before he came back with this reply
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Thanks for that. I have read the legislation. I think you are right. Deepest apologies, my interpretation of the law was incorrect s274 which says that 15% but then there is this 82AAT which excludes it from being tax (only the deductible amount will be taxed) – the 82 AAT notice thing. Really appreciate that, now I have to go fix up a couple of returns. Really, thank you for this. Really appreciate it. Owe you one. I will forward you an amended return for your signature today.
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So did you get a good piece of the 14% return on bonds this year?

What about your gold allocation?

30%+ on stocks last 3 months.

Cash rates low

Depends where you had the assets allocated, if you make those decisions well, then you can outperform, depending upon your benchmarks
 

awg, what I said was:

It might not be, um, standard practice, but I allocate my funds to whatever is doing well at the time: i.e. when the market is rising, buy stocks in the sectors which are showing the most growth

i.e. I buy shares in what sectors of the share market are rising.

I don't want bonds and I don't want gold.
That's why I suggested I didn't subscribe for myself to 'standard practice' of always being diversified across every asset class.
If you do want to do that, then I wish you every success. I prefer to stick to what I know well and understand.
 
An interesting development over here in The Old Dart:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/investment/article6576639.ece

 

Now that would alter the face of the industry.
Would cut down the number of "Advisors" dramatically.
 
Now that would alter the face of the industry.
Would cut down the number of "Advisors" dramatically.

Do you really think so?

Won't they all just change to fee for service for the same amount as the lost commission?
 
I think there will be resistance from many people to paying that upfront fee.

That's why there has been the predominance of clients going for the commission based fees to date, rather than being prepared to pay upfront for so called unbiased advice.
 
Yes, I suppose if people don't want to pay upfront, or can't afford to, it will impact on advisers revenue, therefore less advisers.
 
I thought I would update this thread with this latest development. (from tech/a last post)

http://www.fpa.asn.au/FPA_LatestNews.aspx?EventGroup=1&EventItem=268


‘AMP has told fund managers if they want to be on the group's 1,600-strong financial planning network's approved product list (APL), their products must not include any commissions.’
Financial Standard, 27 October 2009

This is a quite a major shift from the traditional remuneration structure of financial planners, in which the majority are still on commission based.

Perhaps this will bring back some confidence from the consumers on receiving unbiased advises.

The next thing is to get rid of those "approved product list" and move toward no-limitation on what financial planners can or cannot recommend.

http://www.finsia.com/eventPDF/PD1_Financial Planning_Q27_Bris.pdf

for a seminar on this latest event.

Take part in a discussion on putting value on advice and creating your worth, taking responsibility for raising standards and avoiding further disasters such as the collapse of Storm and Great Southern.

Maybe it will or maybe it wouldn't as mistakes would continue to be made and greed would continue to exist, but certainly it is a step toward the right way.
 
One of The Australian's journalists has, in four days, become a 'Government certified, nationally accredited' financial adviser with a 'diploma of financial planning'.

"No exams, the course completed entirely online and 'open book' - and with no requirement for a high school certificate (or even a passing grade in primary school for that matter) - and I'm a fully certified financial planner."


Hope this isn't a copyright problem.
(The Weekend Australian, August 30 - 31 2014)
 
This is absolutely disgusting

What a joke the financial planning fraternity is.

I have one rule and I think it's one of yours Julia

If I can't control it I won't do it!

Doesn't mean I'll eliminate risk but I won't place myself in a situation where I could face ruin.

How totally devastating for those who lose everything through commission based novices.
 
The general public have absolutely no idea.
And what is ASIC doing about it? Nothing at all, it appears.

Some sample questions which I'm sure anyone here could answer without even seeing the 'education' material.
 

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Little surprise that so many ordinary people take charge of there own investment and Superannuation these days, takes time and effort but the longer I do it and the more I read and learn about the financial advisory industry the more im relieved and happy I went out on my own.

It really is a mine field out there, even the big banks cannot be trusted if recent reports about CBA and Macquarie are true.
 
And correct answers to these questions will put you in a position to increase a clients funds.

Every financial advisor I've met needs all the help I can give them.
3 of the five I know are living in oceans of debt!

More interested in portraying an image than delivering content.
 
Gee, wish I had known about this education provider before I started my DFP! (kidding) I'm doing it through Kaplan and I need to do both a 60 question exam and a statement of advice assignment for each module (4 in total to meet minimum for RG146), the damn assignment thing is 60 pages long. Amazingly, my econ major didn't count according to ASIC but crap providers like the one the journalists completed actually do - who's protecting who here?
 
I do not disagree that the requirement to become RG146 compliant is too easy.

However, this journalist already completed a commerce degree, I would say that most of the content in the diploma material would have already been known to him so the time taken is no surprise whatsoever. I was in the exact same boat.

I did it through Kaplan like Reaperman has mentioned, admittedly it took a little longer than 34 hours but as he has said we had to prepare several advice documents which were quite lengthy and time consuming. In terms of actual study though, the time spent was very minimal because most of what I needed to know was known from the Commerce degree (same as this journalist).

It really is up to the dealer group to screen the planners they are allowing to provide advice under their license. I know that dealer groups will not accept qualifications from certain organisations.

If they want to let any joker off the street come into their business with zero practical experience than they will get destroyed with complaints, FOS (Financial Ombudsmen Service) will make them compensate the clients they have lost money for (if in fact the advice was inappropriate) and the company will not survive. These types of business models are not sustainable.

When a client has clearly been mislead or provided with inappropriate advice for their circumstances and they can show this to the financial Ombudsmen, than they will have to compensate the clients for their loss as long as the dealer group is solvent. This is why dealer groups full of bad planners will go insolvent.

It's like in any job, just because someone has a qualification you don't just let them start running a muck on their own. If you respect your own business and your clients they should undergo extensive training before you let them face to face with anyone. They should be mentored for a period, sit in on meeting, learn the business. Than when they do start providing advice the dealer group should be pre vetting everything they do until they are happy that what they are doing is right for the client. It's the licensee's own fault if they let someone provide advice to clients straight after getting the diploma.

I do understand that there are a lot of rogue advisers out there which have caused a lot of heartache and the government is doing less than it could to stop it. This is why as a holder of an Australian Financial Services License the dealer groups need to monitor their own advisers closely if they want to remain profitable. They are heavily in the spotlight now, if they do not do the right thing they will lose their license.

That's my opinion of the industry anyway.
 
The general public have absolutely no idea.
And what is ASIC doing about it? Nothing at all, it appears.

Some sample questions which I'm sure anyone here could answer without even seeing the 'education' material.

If you think this is the reality then I am afraid you've been swept up in media hype. Not that I am here to bat for advisers, I certainly have major issues with the industry - but that picture does not portray anything close to the reality for what it takes to become a qualified advisor...at least in my experience.
 

Most are not qualified they hide behind licencing given to their dealer principals --- and as such are only able to sell their products and remain compliant to the conditions of coming under the umbrella of that licence.

They do these risk evaluation models which are just plane rubbish and charge $500-$1000 for the privilege. Its nothing more than you disclosing your financial position now and where you'd like to be---you can do that over coffee for $7

Then your shoveled into a fund which gives them the best return on commission and once a year your charged $500- $1000 to get the results and be advised if there is a more highly paid commissioned fund you should be transferred into.

Ask about Property and you get a blank look---No commission.
Ask about investing in a few stocks and Blank looks -- no commission.
Ask about Life insurance and Wage protection and you'll have to sit through the spiel at $500 a shot.
Most everything else your going to have to pay to sit and listen to industry jargon while they try and fit you into a commissioned product of some sort which will answer your question.

One year I tried 3 of these guys out
2 I knew and 1 I didn't I paid $1000 + GST each for them to advise me on how I should set myself up for retirement.---Perhaps they knew something I didn't or I wasn't doing things as efficiently as perhaps I could.

Not 1
Talked about passive income (I have 2 streams not fully utilized and one in the wings ready to be un leashed when I retire/semi retire).

Everyone of them wanted me with (at that time 4 yrs ago) $50K in a managed super fund and the same for my Paid wife.(from the Company). Happy days they had commission cheques well spent.

My response was to continue with my own SMSF.---Couldn't see and still cant see any benefit what so ever.
Plus I'm not going to place my eggs in a fund that has a even a slight chance of going broke.
I can do that myself!
 
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