Does Reincarnation Exist? :)

[wayneL]

Hi ya all...no offense....i value everyones opinion, and the right to express it but I find people who are un-informed can't really form an informed opinion..IMO

Hi nelly

Do you think your comments are a bit disparaging and just a tad dogmatic?

Looking forward to your answer.

Cheers

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Nelly,

First there is this:

Contrary to what popular books, movies and seminars will tell you, you won't discover your lifes meaning by looking within yourself.

And this:

You didn't create yourself, so there is no way you can know what you were created for!

And this:

Only the inventor or the owners manual could tell you it's purpose.......
For 1000's of years, brilliant philosophers have discussed and speculated about the meaning of life. Philosophy is an important subject and has it's uses, but when it comes to determining the purpose of life, even the wisest philosophers are just guessing. The search for the purpose of life has puzzled people for 1000's of years. Thats because they typically begin at the wrong starting point - ourselves.

Is such an analogy appropriate for something as complicated as life?

And this:

You don't take anything with you, only your character, and you develop your character through relationships.That is our purpose.

Our purpose is it? What about looking within ourselves when it comes to relationships?

And then at the end this:

Hi ya all...no offense....i value everyones opinion, and the right to express it but I find people who are un-informed can't really form an informed opinion..

How can we be informed if for thousands of years people have gotten it all wrong as inferred by you?

Snake

 

[Sean K]

Nelly,

In regard to the material possessions comment, I 100% agree. 'Things' are just items we try to represent and define ourselves by but truly don't. They just represent what society tells us is important. Like my Tag Heuer! he he. I know I can't take it with me and it represents a totally fake part of who I am. I'm just conforming to a part of society that tells me if I posess this watch then people will think I have money, or have good taste, and therefore will like me more thus developing my self esteem. Pretty crap on the surface of it, but I am a step ahead because I recognise this fakeness for what it is. I've been programmed to do this and now I can overcome it because I first of all recognise it for what it is. Anyway, off the topic.

I was thinking about reincarnation last night and I was trying to imgine the actual physical process of reincarnation to see if it was more acceptable to me.....

My soul (which is unidentifiable, unseen, has no shape, can not be held in space or time) leaves my body (from the exact location I do not know) when I die and floats up through the atmosphere (by what means I do not know) to a holding location in the cosmos (where I do not know, nor how it is held in place, or by whom, nor how it is sustained) and then at some other time in the future (days, months, centuries?) it is transferred into a feotus at some stage of genstation, or a baby at birth (depending on who you talk to) and then, my soul (which is my personality? or life force? or brain?) lives on in that other person until they die. etc

Sound like a solid concept to me. I'll sign up to that theory any day.

 

[visual]

PROSELYTATION

googled word above,google asked,did you mean prostitution?

 

[nelly]

Hi nelly

Do you think your comments are a bit disparaging and just a tad dogmatic?

Looking forward to your answer.

Cheers

Hi Wayne...firstly thanks for the question..nothing like a good debate to stimulate the grey matter.
Sorry if I come across as a disparaging, opinionated .........I'm definitely not trying to put anyone down. ...IMO if you are looking for answers you should be prepared to research all routes...and you know when you read or hear something that has a ring of truth to it...you usually know it.
'dogmatic'.......you could put 1 true and 5 false in a bag...and it doesn't matter how many times a false is brought forth and declared to be true...and vice versa...doesn't change the fact there is still 1 true and 5 false
I suppose I... IMHO....feel I have stumbled onto a ring of truth.....don't mean to shove anything down anyones throat...just thought some one might be interested to hear an opinion :aliena:
Cheers..looking forward to reading more of your comments

 

[Rafa]

I don't beleive in re-incarnation but as WayneL said...

There is happiness in trying to do good (this is demonstrable). So whether at death we turn to dust, or live on as some sort of spirit, the human being should just try to do good and respect life.

Well said....

Now as long as we can leave it at that, and not get you atheist preachers vehemently spreading your beliefs on this forum....

then we can all live happily ever after...


PS: prof, thanks for the PM, i've never checked that section of the forum till today!

 

[nelly]

Nelly,

In regard to the material possessions comment, I 100% agree. 'Things' are just items we try to represent and define ourselves by but truly don't. They just represent what society tells us is important. Like my Tag Heuer! he he. I know I can't take it with me and it represents a totally fake part of who I am. I'm just conforming to a part of society that tells me if I posess this watch then people will think I have money, or have good taste, and therefore will like me more thus developing my self esteem. Pretty crap on the surface of it, but I am a step ahead because I recognise this fakeness for what it is. I've been programmed to do this and now I can overcome it because I first of all recognise it for what it is. Anyway, off the topic.

I was thinking about reincarnation last night and I was trying to imgine the actual physical process of reincarnation to see if it was more acceptable to me.....

My soul (which is unidentifiable, unseen, has no shape, can not be held in space or time) leaves my body (from the exact location I do not know) when I die and floats up through the atmosphere (by what means I do not know) to a holding location in the cosmos (where I do not know, nor how it is held in place, or by whom, nor how it is sustained) and then at some other time in the future (days, months, centuries?) it is transferred into a feotus at some stage of genstation, or a baby at birth (depending on who you talk to) and then, my soul (which is my personality? or life force? or brain?) lives on in that other person until they die. etc

Sound like a solid concept to me. I'll sign up to that theory any day.

Hi Kennas..I appreciate the feed back, do you think fully 7 bracketed groups of questions makes a solid concept?..IMO I would research more...or r u bein sarcastic sorry
nevertheless I will push on......your soul "which is unidentifiable, unseen, has no shape, can not be held in space or time" is nonetheless, your soul, you know you have one,can't prove it but you know nonetheless.
Cheers, have a nice day

 

[Sean K]

Rafa,

Don't you have an opinion? Or, are you just going to smash other people's ideas without providing any contribution?

Nelly,

I have no 'soul'. I am a product of my mother and father's genes. Just like any other animal on the planet. I am part of the ecosystem and I will return to it. Therefore, best I look after it.

 

[nelly]

Rafa,

Don't you have an opinion? Or, are you just going to smash other people's ideas without providing any contribution?

Nelly,

I have no 'soul'. I am a product of my mother and father's genes. Just like any other animal on the planet. I am part of the ecosystem and I will return to it. Therefore, best I look after it.

righty o then...problem solved...debate closed...no soul..nothing matters ........
cheers

 

[Sean K]

Ha, ha, of course it all matters. Matters more than ever. Everything I do now effects me and those around me and the environment. It's that perspective that makes me want to be the best person I can be for all concerned.

As has been mentioned on this thread, there is nothing magical about our being other than we are an incredible complex organism driven by vitamins, minerals, water and oxygen. We don't fully understand our system and how it operates yet but we are getting there. Mapping the genome has been a huge leap, and undertstanding memory will be another step. But it's all ultimately just electrical impulses generated by chemical reactions throughout the body. Incredible, but I'd want to get to the bottom of the biological complex before I start believing in ghosts.

 

[Rafa]

Rafa,
Don't you have an opinion? Or, are you just going to smash other people's ideas without providing any contribution?

Kennas, what are you talking about...!!! I have an opinion!!!

My opinion is actually of complete agreement with WayneL point of view (even tho he doesn't believe in a God), i am completely in agree with his statement that…

There is happiness in trying to do good (this is demonstrable). So whether at death we turn to dust, or live on as some sort of spirit, the human being should just try to do good and respect life....

WayneL has demonstrated the right way to live... and the right way to act on this forum... Just like Julia and other around here.... who have similar beliefs.


He has his belief, but is happy to accept that in the end, that is just it... someone's beliefs’. And each one is entitled to their own, irrespective of the logic behind it!


You on the other hand, have been the one smashing the views of those who believe in religion and seem adamant to impose your point of view on others....


I suggest you take a good hard look at yourself kennas and your motivation behind all your posts, both on this topic and on others... maybe you are an atheist preacher... I don't know, but you certainly come across as one...!


PS: Moderator, i apologise for this, but I am not one for beating around the bush, i simply call it as I see it...! I have no time for anything else!

I have tried in my previous posts to explain issues from my point of veiw, and that has been taken on board by most, eg, Julia, Prof, etc... Kennas is the only one who seems to continually harp on this the whole time like a broken record. This is meant to be a stock market forum, Kennas is driving this into an 'atheist' religion forum with the zeal and vigour not seen since the missionaries of the middle ages!

 

[nelly]

Nelly,

First there is this:



And this:



And this:



Is such an analogy appropriate for something as complicated as life?

And this:



Our purpose is it? What about looking within ourselves when it comes to relationships?

And then at the end this:



How can we be informed if for thousands of years people have gotten it all wrong as inferred by you?

Snake

Hi...can't quite bring myself to refer to you as snake pliskin..whatever.....
Thanks for the feed-back...in regards to relationships the whole point is to focus on 'other,' before yourself......true loving relationships are when the 'other's' happiness is essential to your own.....IMHO.
And yes life is complicated, but the fundamentals of 'being' don't have to be, I just stick to one basic.. IMHO... truth.
And... IMO the reason we don't get it right, is because being the egotistical creatures we are we think it all begins and ends with us...we are just so wonderful/clever/resourceful...[u get my point] how can it not.
cheers.. thanks for giving us/me your opinion

 

[noirua]

If believing in reincarnation makes you a happy well rounded person, then go for it.
If not believing in reincarnation makes you a happy well rounded person, then go for it.
If being unsure about reincarnation makes you a happy well rounded person, then go for it.

If you believe one of the above or are unsure and you'r not a happy well rounded person, don't worry about it. After all, none of us can remember having a long wait for our turn to be born, so there will be no waiting on the other side anyway, we'll return to this form of limbo.

 

[ducati916]

Quote:
Originally Posted by wayneL
PROSELYTATION


googled word above,google asked,did you mean prostitution?

PROSELYTIZATION

But a classic nonetheless.

jog on
d998

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Hi...can't quite bring myself to refer to you as snake pliskin

What`s wrong with SP?

You can call me John Smith if you like.

And... IMO the reason we don't get it right, is because being the egotistical creatures we are we think it all begins and ends with us...we are just so wonderful/clever/resourceful...[u get my point] how can it not.
cheers..

Isn`t that survival, after all we are animals not divine immortal souls...

thanks for giving us/me your opinion

You are welcome

 

[Sean K]

oooh, Rafa, you're making me sound like Bullmarket.

Sorry you feel I'm preaching, just putting a point of view cross, which I feel has been pretty measured and politely constructed. Sorry you seem to take this so personally.

And to put the record straight, I am not an Atheist, nor probably a Agnostic. I am me. Exploring life for what it is and not relying on any single opinion to define myself or my beliefs. This is very difficult because it's hard to have an original idea in this world. I am searching, and if you provide me with some interesting words I will assess them carefully and see if they make any logical sence to me. Everyone has some great stuff to add here. I'm happy to read anything you have and have enjoyed thinking about your comments.

And this is the general forum isn't it? If you want to just read about the market, stick to those threads. Just an idea though.

 

[nelly]

Ha, ha, of course it all matters. Matters more than ever. Everything I do now effects me and those around me and the environment. It's that perspective that makes me want to be the best person I can be for all concerned.

As has been mentioned on this thread, there is nothing magical about our being other than we are an incredible complex organism driven by vitamins, minerals, water and oxygen. We don't fully understand our system and how it operates yet but we are getting there. Mapping the genome has been a huge leap, and undertstanding memory will be another step. But it's all ultimately just electrical impulses generated by chemical reactions throughout the body. Incredible, but I'd want to get to the bottom of the biological complex before I start believing in ghosts.

Hi ya..looks like this stock forum debate is relieving a lot of tension ....gives me a break from trying to learn how to analyse those darsdedly charts anyway....
I for one would not like to live in a world riddled with soul-less clones of you and me [and everyone else]...and that would be the outcome of all this genome research..do u think?...I for one am a firm believer in continued searching however way we might go about it, we just have to watch how we use the knowledge.....
re: 'no soul'.....what stands true for one stands true for all!
cheers... P.S.....how r u doing on the challenge?

 

[roger_leong]

It might have been that the trees are incarnated into humans

If the bible is true and Adam and Eve were the first, where did Cain and Able come from? And who did they have kids with?

If we came from monkeys how come we still have monkeys and not something inbetween, you would think by now they would have evolved more.

And how come the earths population is growing. If reincarnation was true then it would stay the same would it not? Just Adam and Eve dying and being reborn.

 

[Sean K]

Which challenge Nelly? Stock picking comp? Ok I think. I have DIO up about 10% I think

It's funny how we all assume that no 'soul' is a bad thing. How come? I think 'personality' is just as rich and interesting as a soul. And believing that the earth is intertwined and all that occurrs effects another is incredible. We are an amazing specimen and I look in wonder every day at human beings and nature and how it all coexists. Incredible. The amazing organic tapestry of life.

 

[nelly]

What`s wrong with SP?

You can call me John Smith if you like.



Isn`t that survival, after all we are animals not divine immortal souls...



You are welcome

Hi S.P.
.......I always thought I WAS a divine immortal creature..