Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[IFocus]

Did he? Can you let us know what these were?

You have to be joking start with RU486

 

[Calliope]

Yeah you got to love WA 2 weeks on 1week off 180k a year and practically illiterate imagine what i could earn if i was as smart as you the mind boggles

And yet you hate the big miners. If it wasn't for the big miners an unskilled bloke like you would be a dole bludger.

 

[Julia]

You have to be joking start with RU486

Do you need to be sarcastic? I asked you politely because offhand I couldn't think of anything.

Mifepristone was banned in Australia in 1996. In late 2005, a Private Member's bill was introduced to the Australian Senate to lift the ban and transfer the power of approval to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA). The move caused much debate in the Australian media and amongst politicians. The Bill passed the Senate on 10 February 2006, and whilst mifepristone is now legal for use in Australia, as of yet, no drug company has applied to import and distribute it. Currently there are only a couple of known instances where a doctor has applied to the TGA for dispensing mifepristone in specific cases.

In 2006 the Libs were still in power.

The Labor government hasn't exactly shown any enthusiasm for its use, given how difficult it is for doctors to obtain and prescribe it.

OK, what other decisions has he made that have been dictated by his religious beliefs?

 

[todster]

And yet you hate the big miners. If it wasn't for the big miners an unskilled bloke like you would be a dole bludger.

Illiterate maybe unskilled no,dont hate the companies i work for just have a very good insight to how they operate.
If it wasn't for forums i wonder where you would vent all that piss and vinegar.

 

[IFocus]

Do you need to be sarcastic? I asked you politely because offhand I couldn't think of anything.

Julia did not think I was sarcastic Abbotts nic the mad monk is for good reason I am sure Wiki should have some thing.........

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Julia did not think I was sarcastic Abbotts nic the mad monk is for good reason I am sure Wiki should have some thing.........

Mad monk. That's a bit deceptive and you know like all Labor that it is wrong.

 

[explod]

That's the Greenies' excuse. They claim that by ruining the economy now they can make the world a better place for their grandchildren. A real heartstring tugger. Commonsense says just the opposite. But as I said above Greenies are irresponsible.

If approached the correct way how do you know it will ruin the economy? To counter your slur, thats what the right wing extremist's always say.

Lets look at the idea and see if from a conceptual point putting more back into our own country may infact make it better for ourselves. Protectionist maybe, but notice Russia the last day or so indicating that with wheat. Tough times, tougher ideas and realities perhaps.

 

[drsmith]

If approached the correct way how do you know it will ruin the economy?

What then is the economic impact of a total tax take of 66.5% on resource profits ?

 

[DocK]

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The difference is very important, in that Labor needed Nick Xenophon and Steve Fielding to get any legislation through and these two independents usually held a view on pretty much anything that was contrary to that of the government. If the Greens have the balance of power all to themselves there is no mediating influence and their nuttiness can prevail. We can only hope that in such a situation, the two major parties would manage to come to a compromise and make the Greens irrelevant.

This concerns me, as I worry that if the Greens do wind up with the balance of power the Senate could become stymied altogether with virtually nothing achieved for a term. It can be a good thing to have someone to "keep the bastards honest" as the Democrats urged, and the prospect of the Greens having outright power to pass whatever legislation they choose is a scary prospect , but so too is the prospect of a govt having their hands tied on every policy they want to put into effect. To have a Senate that does nothing but squabble and bicker over every piece of legislation couldn't be good for the country, and is the reason imo that a protest vote to the Greens could be the worst thing a voter may do. Better to vote for whichever of the major parties you prefer and give them a fair go at governing for a term, I think. If they make a (bigger) mess of the job, we'll all have our say again next election.

Having said that, I do like some of the Green's policies and am quite happy for them to have a voice, just not the power to halt progress.

 

[trainspotter]

Julia did not think I was sarcastic Abbotts nic the mad monk is for good reason I am sure Wiki should have some thing.........

ROFL ... Then go and get it from Wiki then ! You blabbed claiming that Abbot had made decisions that affected Australian's based on his religious beliefs. Still waiting for some FACTS.

 

[IFocus]

Paul Kelly with a good summery of post election may look like

"Post-election, we'll be heading for a train wreck"


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...or-a-train-wreck/story-e6frgd0x-1225902293275

 

[IFocus]

Peter van Onselen is onto Abbott and his spin machine.

It is therefore only appropriate I now turn that attack on Abbott for listening to his spin doctors instead of his own political instincts and choosing to cower away from the sort of scrutiny a debate allows.

And there is reference to the faceless men of the Liberal Party

The irony that Abbott, the man who has been railing against the "faceless men" of Labor, will have his own faceless men to thank for shielding him from the scrutiny of a debate would push Australian politics to a new low in the election's aftermath.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...ot-talk-about-it/story-e6frgd0x-1225902269716

 

[IFocus]

Mad monk. That's a bit deceptive and you know like all Labor that it is wrong.

As a Minister Abbott was anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-IVF, anti-stem cell research and wanted to ban no-fault divorce.

Yep its all wrong

 

[IFocus]

Do you need to be sarcastic? I asked you politely because offhand I couldn't think of anything.



In 2006 the Libs were still in power.

The Labor government hasn't exactly shown any enthusiasm for its use, given how difficult it is for doctors to obtain and prescribe it.

OK, what other decisions has he made that have been dictated by his religious beliefs?

Julia this is a pretty good article that covers some of the issues

Abbott said. He listed what they had achieved. "This government's decisions to: overturn the Northern Territory's euthanasia law, ban gay marriage, stop the ACT heroin trial, provide additional financial support for one-income families and try to reduce abortion numbers through pregnancy support counselling, show that the tide of secular humanism was not as irreversible as (Santamaria) thought either … the DLP is alive and well and living inside the Howard government…"

It is this nudging of Australia towards social conservatism that worries feminists, such as the bio-ethicist and writer Leslie Cannold. "There's little question he would do everything he could short of bringing issues before Parliament to progress his views on abortion, stem cells and dying with dignity," she says. "He would use his power of appointments to boards, research institutes, and so on to influence the agenda."

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-elect...harm-and-disarm-offensive-20100806-11oif.html

 

[Calliope]

If approached the correct way how do you know it will ruin the economy? To counter your slur, thats what the right wing extremist's always say.

Lets look at the idea and see if from a conceptual point putting more back into our own country may infact make it better for ourselves. Protectionist maybe, but notice Russia the last day or so indicating that with wheat. Tough times, tougher ideas and realities perhaps.

The usual nonsense post from you.

I know that as an ex-copper you can't tolerate dissent, and making false accusations is normal practice. However perhaps you can tell me what the "slur" is that you are trying to fit me up with.

And who are these "right wing extremists"? Are they Coalition voters? The Party with the most extreme views is the Greens.

 

[glenn_r]

Reading the paper last week about a local private catholic primary school celebrating the opening of their new assembly hall by the sitting Labour MP, now the school has 85 students and the cost of building the hall was $960,000.00.

Now does this give you confidence in Gillard with her recent comments that if we didn't waste money on the school building program we would have fallen into the GFC abyss, what a crock of poo.

 

[trainspotter]

As a Minister Abbott was anti-abortion, anti-contraception, anti-IVF, anti-stem cell research and wanted to ban no-fault divorce.

Yep its all wrong

So what has changed? How did he influence these matters so that it has changed the Australian psyche? Last time I checked all the above are still in modus operandi? Your statement of fact is not holding water IFocus. YES he was against them as a man of his faith and or principles but none of them were implemented?? You can get an abortion on demand, you can buy contraception pills or rubbers, you can still obtain IVF, stemcell research is expanding and I can still get a DIVORCE !

http://www.stemcellcentre.edu.au/ for some info on the stem cell research. Very interesting !

AND as the "Mad Monk" has listed the acievements as outlined above what EXACTLY has Labor done to remedy the situation? The sound of silence is deafening.

 

[explod]

What then is the economic impact of a total tax take of 66.5% on resource profits ?

I do not know, but the point that comes out in my view is that you do not really know either.

Of course we could suppose that to the multinational players like BHP and RIO it would be devastating and of course the employees with that too. But for us rank and file serf's perhaps not ?

 

[explod]

The usual nonsense post from you.

I know that as an ex-copper you can't tolerate dissent, and making false accusations is normal practice. However perhaps you can tell me what the "slur" is that you are trying to fit me up with.

And who are these "right wing extremists"? Are they Coalition voters? The Party with the most extreme views is the Greens.

Dodge the question again with your side of nonsense as usual Calliope.

And why not dissect some out of the box concepts, it is known that from the craziest beginnings have grown some of the greatest inventions and ideas of mankind.

Forums such as this are in effect becoming great think tanks and the tussell is stimulating to us both.

 

[moXJO]

And there is reference to the faceless men of the Liberal Party

You mean those that bow before big business?
Oh that’s right Abbott shafted them with the Paid Parental Leave. The minders are the only ones advising him to keep out of trouble. And after Labors stupendous amount of spin during last election and this one, no bloody wonder.

Abbott as a person seems to be well liked by neighbors

A man who lives just above the Abbotts says we won't find anyone who'll say a bad word about Abbott.

He's right. They love him. Not as a politician but, I think, for being a man who has raised nice children, has a nice wife and works hard.

"He's a nice guy, believe me," the man says. "I wouldn't like to see you write a single derogatory word about him. I'm not saying everyone has the same political views, but he's a good family man.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/election/locals-say-that-abbott-is-right-up-our-street/story-fn5zm695-1225898197721
I would like to see Rudd have the same said about him. And Gillard well lets go back to that affair with Craig Emmerson. If Abbott is classed as a religious nut by you, then Gillard is nothing but a home wrecking wh0re. When you think about it she is basically a Godless lawyer that has proven her worth.
While I don't think much of Abbott politically he has proven himself in other areas of his life. Triathlon at his age would have taken a lot of dedication mental and intestinal fortitude. Raising 3 daughters, well liked by those around him, involved in charity events where he actually puts in physical effort on top of his participation (running, cycling).
While most of those things don't mean jack in a political sense at least it gives us more scope of what the man is made of. Bring up his religious past is only half the story. How about we bring Gillards past up for all to see.