Conflict resolution thread

[trainspotter]

It has a catostrphic effect on family, my Mother still alive has done untold damage within our large Family. Fortunately as the eldest my role of caring for people came early and I grew from it.

What is it you are trying to say Plod?

 

[explod]

What is it you are trying to say Plod?

Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.

Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.

Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special.

Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.

Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.

Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.

This is a bit off topic to Joe's intention but will give a brief outline of my statement.

When I was 6 years we settled on a Soldier Settlement farm in the Western District of Victoria. At that stage I had four younger Brothers and Mother was pregnant with number 6. Two more arrived later, lol no pill in those days. Our residence was a small corrugated hut lined with hessian, we had an IXL wood stove and a kero fridge, no phone or electricity. 30 miles to the nearest Doctor. Dad effected by the war and alcohol was in his own world. Mother in charge thought she was great, the youngest in her Family was obviously spoilt so in this the hero. She warned us of mixing with others at school to avoud influence of Germans, Anglicans and right wing Catholics. She fed us stories of her own greatness and continually put us down and beat us. Dad tried at times but would burst into temper swearing profanely and more often hop in our old truck and to the pub. As I grew and left home I forgave in the sense that it was the conditions and she was my Mother after all. The farm prospered with a nice farm house later but the continued affect on my younger siblings brought two individuals to breakdowns and another developed bi polar and schizophrenia, he passed away a couple of years back from these issues. But my Mother at 93 still talks herself up, has pictures and basic certificates all over the wall of her bedroom in the Elderly home. She has 15 Grandchildren and 8 Great Grandchildren and none visit, a few of us do out of a sense of duty but she still speaks to us in a nasty manner and says we are failures. My younger Sister (one of the breakdowns) has not gone near her for 20 years. Fortunately her Grandchildren have not been effected as with the obvious recognition by our wive's the cycle has been broken.

I left school at 14 to help Dad on the farm and my association with him in the paddocks helped me move on a great deal to a very successful professional career.

This is not a sob story others experience worse today, but it's an experience that made me tough and develop an understanding of people and society from the bottom up.

 

[Logique]

Cheers Explod, I have a better understanding of you now.

"..she still speaks to us in a nasty manner and says we are failures.."

Many secrets hidden in in rural Australia.

 

[SirRumpole]

This is not a sob story others experience worse today, but it's an experience that made me tough and develop an understanding of people and society from the bottom up.

Yes I suppose others do experience worse today, but in your day people had to work hard or they wouldn't get anywhere. Today with all the welfare benefits we are raising generations of selfish little t..ds who expect things handed to them on a plate. The day will come (maybe already has) where we can no longer afford to mollycoddle people cradle to grave. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth when that happens.

 

[luutzu]

Yes I suppose others do experience worse today, but in your day people had to work hard or they wouldn't get anywhere. Today with all the welfare benefits we are raising generations of selfish little t..ds who expect things handed to them on a plate. The day will come (maybe already has) where we can no longer afford to mollycoddle people cradle to grave. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth when that happens.

Come on SirR.

There are single parents where if the little financial help they do get are not there, the kids and the parent will be in a whole lot of trouble. And that is never any good for society as a whole. Both economically and socially.

If money aren't spend to help citizens in need, where ought those money go to? Gotta go somewhere, and there are plenty of pet projects and high tech arms deals to get into.

 

[sptrawler]

Yes I suppose others do experience worse today, but in your day people had to work hard or they wouldn't get anywhere. Today with all the welfare benefits we are raising generations of selfish little t..ds who expect things handed to them on a plate. The day will come (maybe already has) where we can no longer afford to mollycoddle people cradle to grave. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth when that happens.

Not if Bill gets in, it will never happen, you are just one of those well off people who want to $..t on those less well off.

 

[sptrawler]

Come on SirR.

There are single parents where if the little financial help they do get are not there, the kids and the parent will be in a whole lot of trouble. And that is never any good for society as a whole. Both economically and socially.

If money aren't spend to help citizens in need, where ought those money go to? Gotta go somewhere, and there are plenty of pet projects and high tech arms deals to get into.

Maybe it could go to helping relocate and re educate those who need a job, to where there is a job available.
If all jobs are filled, then we need to really start and look at a safety net.

 

[SirRumpole]

Come on SirR.

There are single parents where if the little financial help they do get are not there, the kids and the parent will be in a whole lot of trouble. And that is never any good for society as a whole. Both economically and socially.

If money aren't spend to help citizens in need, where ought those money go to? Gotta go somewhere, and there are plenty of pet projects and high tech arms deals to get into.

Some of those single parents are "professional" parents; ie they have kids just to get the benefits, and drink, smoke, sniff or inject the money and neglect the kids.

Society goes too soft on them. The kids should be taken into care and the parents should never get parenting allowances again. That's more preferable than having delinquents growing up to produce more delinquents.

 

[luutzu]

Some of those single parents are "professional" parents; ie they have kids just to get the benefits, and drink, smoke, sniff or inject the money and neglect the kids.

Society goes too soft on them. The kids should be taken into care and the parents should never get parenting allowances again. That's more preferable than having delinquents growing up to produce more delinquents.

So we should screw all parents and kids because "some" parents are bad parents?

Maybe it's been a while since you raise kids but no one would have kids just to milk welfare. That'd be like saying that working women in high paying jobs would stop, have kids, send kid to childcare just to get the rebate.

 

[luutzu]

Maybe it could go to helping relocate and re educate those who need a job, to where there is a job available.
If all jobs are filled, then we need to really start and look at a safety net.

Unemployment are there by design. It's to provide business owners with surplus labour in case their current employee start to demand proper pay for productivity and stuff. Seriously, look up what Alan Greenspan gleefully told Congress when asked by the economy was doing well: worker insecurity.

That and it obviously serve the other purpose of pointing to unemployed people and say why the heck aren't you off your behind and work when there are jobs out there.

The plebs are being turn against one another... might serve us better to punch up and laugh at those so-call public servants who's taking the piss out of us and call it trickle down economic.

 

[SirRumpole]

Maybe it's been a while since you raise kids but no one would have kids just to milk welfare.

I think you are wrong. Plenty of single mothers around having children to different fathers for the benefits.

I'm not saying how many of them do this, but they do exist.

 

[noco]

I think you are wrong. Plenty of single mothers around having children to different fathers for the benefits.

I'm not saying how many of them do this, but they do exist.

Rumpy, you are so right....Most people would be in shock to learn just how many single mothers exist....Not all though have children with different fathers.....But how much effort is social security putting in to recover payments from fathers who have deserted their kids?

Those women who exploit the system probably have no idea or won't say who the father is of their children.

http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/3A8D1AA0F3AB7D66CA25732F001C94E6/$File/41020_One-parent%20families_2007.pdf

Unfortunately this link cannot be reproduced so anyone interested will have to do their own research.

 

[luutzu]

I think you are wrong. Plenty of single mothers around having children to different fathers for the benefits.

I'm not saying how many of them do this, but they do exist.

I'm not saying that there are no unfit parents. But when it come to these kind of issues, it's better to err on the side of not screwing most who are good but financially poor parents. And their poverty might not always be due to their laziness, but such other circumstances as not enough education, not enough job, making a couple of wrong turns and no community support to help them turn around.

And it's not like the main cause of any society's problem is bad single parent who's milking the system. There are a whole lot of low hanging fruits to go after - if we care enough.

 

[rashed1]

Hi Joe,
Your idea is very beautiful, i hope all mamber flow your idea.
thank you.

 

[rashed1]

Great idea. Will you be overseeing to ensure the rules you outline above are kept, Joe?

 

[Joe Blow]

Great idea. Will you be overseeing to ensure the rules you outline above are kept, Joe?

Yes, as the administrator it is my job to oversee all forum activity, especially as it pertains to rules, guidelines and interaction between ASF members.

 

[kahuna1]

I would have said that this is obvious, but after experiencing the limited understanding of Mr Kahuna, possibly not as obvious as I thought.

Strange ....

This from One of us begs for pennies and donations via his link on every post ?

Your views Mr Macdonald and massive financial failures over many years and schemes are sadly very clear. Gold nut ... silver nut ... then Bitcoin nut .... on and on it goes. Failed newsletter writer .... secret internet guru ....

Strange to hear a failed investor pontificate about investing and trading .... comparing himself and his views to some greats when, sad reality is .... running secret chat rooms on Facebook and pushing bitcoin rubbish.

Why are you begging for donations via your link ?

I thought that was illegal in Australia without ASIC approval ? Is this how you collect clients ? Have a hyperlink on every post ? Post on multiple websites ? For your secret schemes ...

My secret system ? Mr Foxery many moons ago and 6000 odd posts ... one site and it appears not to be mainly in English ... mainly but clearly YOU.

My understanding of people like you is akin to things that stick to your shoe in the park and smell.

My tolerance of shonks is zero. I believe ASIC has even less for these issues.

Are we selling bitcoin schemes today ? Or a trading newsletter ? Or some other scheme ?

 

[qldfrog]

Strange ....

This from One of us begs for pennies and donations via his link on every post ?

Your views Mr Macdonald and massive financial failures over many years and schemes are sadly very clear. Gold nut ... silver nut ... then Bitcoin nut .... on and on it goes. Failed newsletter writer .... secret internet guru ....

Strange to hear a failed investor pontificate about investing and trading .... comparing himself and his views to some greats when, sad reality is .... running secret chat rooms on Facebook and pushing bitcoin rubbish.

Why are you begging for donations via your link ?

I thought that was illegal in Australia without ASIC approval ? Is this how you collect clients ? Have a hyperlink on every post ? Post on multiple websites ? For your secret schemes ...

My secret system ? Mr Foxery many moons ago and 6000 odd posts ... one site and it appears not to be in English ... mainly but clearly YOU.

My understanding of people like you is akin to things that stick to your shoe in the park and smell.

My tolerance of shonks is zero. I believe ASIC has even less for these issues.

Are we selling bitcoin schemes today ? Or a trading newsletter ? Or some other scheme ?

Sorry to say that Mt Kahuna, but you are getting delusional to the extreme, where did you dream of the above???

 

[kahuna1]

My secret system ? Mr Foxery many moons ago and 6,900 odd posts ... one site and it appears not to be mainly in English ... mainly but clearly DUCATI.

What is that language up the top ? Forexy ... you name there ... link and journal to the site you have in every signature, which is a hyperlink ... on SAME every post. Even here ,,, this site !!



Sigh.

 

[kahuna1]

The link SIGNATURE hyperlink every post multiple sites .... numerous nations.

Oh please donate .... ppppleeaaase ....

MY shoes have something stuck to them. Must be my "limited Understanding" as the resident expert puts it. Why do they smell ?