Knobby22
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There is a difference between buying a house to live in and buying one to make money.There are plenty of pensioners on cruises, who have a full pension and a huge mansion.
I can actually remember politicians, saying that elderly living in mansions shouldn't get the pension and should have to downsize.
How times change, when those same politicians and their supporters, get older and live in mansions. LOl
@SirRumpole how much money do you think is lost, in CGT exemption, for the prime residence exemption?
Put it another way, should the married couple who sell their house for $1million and put it in super at 5% or $50k/ annum, be punished?
When they could have stayed in the house and received $50k pension, how that would that make sense?
It's an interesting subject and for super to work, there has to be a benefit for the worker, not only for the Government.
This is 2015-2016, what do you think it is now?
According to Treasury the size of the main residence exemption is $46 billion in 2015- 16. This means that the exemption to the top 10 per cent of households was worth $17.1 billion.
I purchased this present residence in 1996. Although I have changed the kitchen and made a 1982 build more comfortable as a home, I haven't bought it since then so I wonder who caused the value to increase? Oh, I know, people younger than me who found the area desirable and were happy to borrow lots of money at low interest rates and probably pay inflated prices.
Their fault for being greedy, not mine.
Absolutely, that's why they would put a value, on what is considered reasonable for the plebs.There is a difference between buying a house to live in and buying one to make money.
If I had to move for some reason, yes I would make a profit on the house I sold but then I would have to buy another place at an exhorbitant price, so there goes my profit. In effect the cgt tax I would have to pay would make it very difficult to buy another place that i would want to live in.
Unless I joined the frog in Panama of course, come to think of it....
There is a difference between buying a house to live in and buying one to make money.
She had a good run.Could it be? This is getting farkin expensive. A bottle of Dom for Bandt and Zoe Daniels.. now Lambie?
If Monique Ryan goes down I'll be both broke and extremely drunk
Absolutely, that is exactly the sort of issue that has to be addressed and why the whole tax issue has to be looked at holistically.There is also a difference between a house and the concept of home.
I was at a function over Easter meeting up with a few people I hadn't seen for a bit. I was standing with a group which included a GP. Next to us was a group from interstate and one young fella was going on about the cost of houses and how oldies are stopping others from getting housing and should be encouraged to move to smaller places.
Anyways, when that group moved away the GP said, and I quote, "Great! More potential for elder abuse." She said she has patients who were encouraged (pressured?) to do that and, boy, did they regret it. Severed their social networks and easier access to medical care. And now reside in locations where even if they sold in order to move back they cannot as they have been priced out of the Canberra market.
ABSOLUTELY.Future governments will have to address the younger generation being lockout of the property market and as its a base of wealth I am not sure how this can be achieved but at some point that group will absolutely spit it.
I'll use the analogy of being overweight.There is also a difference between a house and the concept of home.
I was at a function over Easter meeting up with a few people I hadn't seen for a bit. I was standing with a group which included a GP. Next to us was a group from interstate and one young fella was going on about the cost of houses and how oldies are stopping others from getting housing and should be encouraged to move to smaller places.
Anyways, when that group moved away the GP said, and I quote, "Great! More potential for elder abuse." She said she has patients who were encouraged (pressured?) to do that and, boy, did they regret it. Severed their social networks and easier access to medical care. And now reside in locations where even if they sold in order to move back they cannot as they have been priced out of the Canberra market.
Obviously just another piece coming from the "King" of the US POTUS just opening his mouth to change feet.Expect adoration of Dear Leader soon
Well the bum polishers for many years of doing nothing but fill a seat, will be able to retire on a very generous tax payer funded pension, and still get another job elsewhere after they leave Parliament.Absolutely, that is exactly the sort of issue that has to be addressed and why the whole tax issue has to be looked at holistically.
That's also why useless politicians aren't going to cut it soon, the issues are going to get more complex and paying muppets to sit quietly in parliament for 3 years isn't going to work IMO.
I guess, what IMO is becoming obvious is, striving for mediorcity could well be coming to an end.
What you described, is the result of 20 years of striving for mediocrity and the participants now have achieved what the system asked for, nothing and that's what they achieved.
So what's next? Elder abuse.
Well the bum polishers for many years of doing nothing but fill a seat, will be able to retire on a very generous tax payer funded pension, and still get another job elsewhere after they leave Parliament.
How does that translate to practical taxation policy?I'll use the analogy of being overweight.
To a limited extent it can be hidden through choice of clothing and so on or even wearing tight fitting purpose designed undergarments.
Ultimately though that only works to very limited extent. If you're 5kg heavier than ideal then you can probably hide that but not if it's 50kg. A point comes where the problem's too big, any attempt to squash the fat in one location just makes it more obvious somewhere else.
Now applying that to Australian politics I see a very similar problem. The harsh reality is we've an assortment of serious structural problems that have grown to the point they're not easily hidden, indeed they're blindingly obvious.
Trouble is our politicians are prone to first order thinking. If the problem is people can't afford houses then their "solution" is as per your example or it's handing out stamp duty concessions and so on. Trouble is, that's really just swapping one problem for another.
If we step back one order then the problem is that we're not building enough houses relative to demand.
If we step back once more then we find the problem is the high cost of building a house in the first place, a rapidly growing population, and that we've only a small number of cities to which most people are moving.
If we step back once more then we get into issues of the funding basis of utilities and upfront charges on new properties, land release, land banking, tax collection on new homes, a lack of tradespeople, loose lending standards, and so on.
Step back again and we're now talking about the relatively shallow economic base with limited opportunities to raise taxation revenue, we're talking about the demise of those things that historically trained most trades people, and we're talking about an economic structure under which speculation has become a more reliable way to wealth than production.
Now if we step back even further we find ourselves looking at the education system, both tertiary and secondary, and we find ourselves looking at the structure of the tax system, the "hands off" approach to economic management that's seen the decline of secondary industry, and so on.
Now my point isn't on the detail but that we're not even looking at it. Our parliament seems to be filled with people who wouldn't, or even couldn't, join the dots on the above. People who don't grasp that telling ~13 year old high school kids it's uni or bust meanwhile losing our industrial base and handing out cheap credit has brought about the in practice impoverishment of a generation.
First order thinking isn't going to fix that or indeed any problem. It's trying to put a compression sleeve over someone's obese abdomen - either they can't fit it on in the first place, it rips open, or it ends with a trip to hospital (or worse). It's not a solution.
48 Warramoo Crescent, Narrabundah ACT 2604It's fascinating in many ways. These oldies sitting in the expensive properties getting benefits and having a tax free home. So unfair.
This is some details of the property I sold (I have only ever had two homes) in order to move to my current residence due to an expanding family. Having kids can cause that.
Three bedroom dump in what was viewed as the lower undesirable part of the suburb. Yeah, did some work to improve it but no extensions or anything like that. Block size, 934 square meters. I remember that when we sold in 1996 the UV was $48k. Current UV is $944k. You cannot improve the actual dirt the property sits on so the cause can reasonably be assumed people now want is viewed as a good area in which to live (or invest). It was last sold in 2021 for $1.542m. It's still a three beddy.
Type of place close to where we lived but 572 square meter block. A three beddy sold in March 2025 for $1.0725m Previously sold for $675k in 2016. Yeah, an absolute mansion with SWF done to it over 9 years. Probably bloody boomers. The greedy so and so's,
He he.
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48 Warramoo Crescent, Narrabundah ACT 2604
The quintessential timber cottage perfectly positioned in one of the best tree-lined streets in old Narrabundah..
... always thought you were 'inner south'
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