Asylum immigrants - Green Light

[Whiskers]

I think we're all aware of events in the 1970's, Whiskers. It hardly has continuing relevance in 2013!!!

To try to draw this sort of long bow is stretching credibility.

Others have more correctly described why there is such determination to come to Australia.


Good point.

Did someone say something about Trans-Tasman relations... :

An Aussie bloke is having a quiet drink in a bar and leans over to the big guy next to him and says, 'Do you wanna hear a Kiwi joke?

The big guy replies, 'Well mate, before you tell that joke, you should know something. I'm 1.90 m tall, 125 kg and I played as a forward for the All Blacks."

"The guy next to me is 1.85 m, weighs 115 kg and he's an ex-All Black lock."

"Next to him is a bloke who's 2 m tall, weighs 120 kg and he's a current All Black second rower. Now do you still want to tell that Kiwi joke?"

The aussie bloke says, "Nah, not if I'm going to have to explain it three times."
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[Chris45]

Did someone say something about Trans-Tasman relations... :

An Aussie bloke is having a quiet drink in a bar and leans over to the big guy next to him and says, 'Do you wanna hear a Kiwi joke?​

Brilliant!!!

 

[Chris45]

Come on. We are better than this..

Yes Basilio, I'm sure you're right and this is just another one of those horrible right-winged conspiracy theories, and the Muslims who come here by boat and other means just want to live peacefully in their little communities, enjoy their generous fortnightly welfare payments, and make as many babies as Allah will allow them to. What can possibly be the harm in that?

Does the Muslim population as a whole have anything except disgust for the horrific actions described? I don't know, because they never speak out and express their disgust. They remain silent!!!

Back to our default positions.

 

[basilio]

Yes Basilio, I'm sure you're right and this is just another one of those horrible right-winged conspiracy theories, and the Muslims who come here by boat and other means just want to live peacefully in their little communities, enjoy their generous fortnightly welfare payments, and make as many babies as Allah will allow them to. What can possibly be the harm in that?

Chris I have lived with Muslims, I have taught with Muslims, I would count many as amongst my friends.

Your observation is complete BS. You are sprouting offensive, nasty nonsense.

Welcome !!!

 

[Julia]

Ok so lets see what you have done folks.

You have taken the criminal actions of a a group of Muslims and tarred the entire religion and everyone who professes it with the same brush. Do you suggest that the the Muslim population as a whole would have anything except disgust for the actions you describe?

Could you explain, then, why we hear nothing of this disgust? I've heard not a whisper from any Muslim, either in Australia or overseas, in terms of condemnation of the recent atrocious acts.
But someone in Europe draws a silly cartoon and the whole of Islam rises up in fury.


Another question for you, basilio. On immigration, do you think it's fair and reasonable that people able to pay people smugglers large sums to get here, are admitted to Australia, given very generous care and welfare, whilst those who are truly desperate, and who have languished for many years in UNHCR camps, having waited their turn to get to Australia, have their waiting time hugely blown out simply because those who are 'pushing their way in' are absorbing the processing capacity of the Immigration Department?

Several posts back, Whiskers conveniently answered for you my question about why Australia should be responsible for people deciding they no longer wanted to live in, eg Lebanon. I was less than impressed by Whiskers' answer, so would be interested in your comments.
Here are the original posts:
from basilio:

Did you actually read what Whiskers said ? He was talking about the effects of American foreign policy in disrupting the countries they invaded ie Iraq, Afganistan as well the surrounding areas ie Iran.

From Julia

When has America invaded or disrupted Iran? Even if it had, how does that place responsibility on Australia?

One could ask the same question about Sri Lanka or any other of the many countries whose people are coming to Australia, none of which Australia (or largely America for that matter) has had any particular connection or influence.

One further point: you feel outraged by suggestions that devotees of Islam should be wishing to extend the reach of their religion/political ideology. Surely it's essentially in the DNA of all religions to be evangelical and to proselytize?
Given that the multiple atrocities that have occurred over now many years have all been perpetrated by muslims, I don't see that - even if we don't subscribe to the view that they are wishing to take over Australia - it's all that unreasonable that some Australians are going to be concerned about their increasing numbers when mostly they seem very reluctant to assimilate into the Australian way of life.

I'm just not sure it's reasonable of you to be so outraged at those who are expressing these concerns.

 

[Calliope]

I'm just not sure it's reasonable of you to be so outraged at those who are expressing these concerns.

It's because he(she?) and the Islamist radicals share a common hatred of Americans. He(she?) thinks that Western society should be judged by American actions he(she?) has dredged up from the past, which pale into insignificance compared with Islamic atrocities.

Would you care for Western countries to be judged by the actions of American soldiers in Iraq for shooting up women and children from helicopters ? How about the activities of the Ku Klux Klan in lynching people ? Or the weekly decisions of President Obama to send drones across Pakistan etc to identify and kill people ?

 

[Chris45]

You are sprouting offensive, nasty nonsense.

Basilio, I am also quite keen to hear your answers to Julia's questions, and I would like to add one more.

Do you agree with Sheik Ali Khoder's very serious accusation that our new government has reached the stage of killing people as part of their election campaign and should be tried in a court of justice, because some of his boat people drowned?

You accuse me of sprouting offensive, nasty nonsense so how do you describe his outburst, which was the subject of my initial post #1914?

 

[bunyip]

Chris I have lived with Muslims, I have taught with Muslims, I would count many as amongst my friends.

Your observation is complete BS. You are sprouting offensive, nasty nonsense.

Welcome !!!

It’s completely irrelevant that you’ve found the Muslims of your acquaintance to be nice and decent people. The majority of Germans in the Hitler years were nice decent people too, yet Germany subjugated and killed millions of people.
Even some bikies are nice decent people. Like, for example, the ones my wife and I spoke to just a few months ago when we were having lunch at a quiet little country pub. We heard the rumbling of motor bikes outside, and next thing in walked a dozen or so bikies and sat at the table beside us. They were all older blokes well into their sixties, clean and respectable, well presented, no tattoos or earrings or any of the other junk you normally associate with bikies.
We got talking to them and found out that that were all retired blokes who just loved motor bikes and going for a ride in the country. They were from a variety of career backgrounds – two of them had been accountants, one a doctor, one a bricklayer, one a carpenter, one a clothing shop owner, etc etc.
I suppose that after meeting this nice bunch of ordinary blokes who just liked to ride their bikes, we could have formed the view that bikies are just ordinary people who pose no threat to anyone, and we could have gone into denial about the serious problems being caused by bikie gangs.
Isn’t that what you’re doing with Muslims? You’ve met some nice ones, and you have therefore formed the view that Muslims are nice people who pose no threat to our country. Even though the evidence is right there in front of you, you’re in denial about the problems that Muslims cause in every country in which they get a foothold.
Are you blind or deaf or of low intelligence? I doubt it. I’d say that like many young people you’re idealistic, unrealistic and overly compassionate, and have not yet developed enough maturity and responsibility to look honestly and realistically at all the evidence that’s right there in front of your eyes.

Here’s a link to an article that might, just might, give you and others like you an urgently needed wake up call. Don’t just dismiss it as more anti-Islamic hatred. Read it and read it again, then read it a third time, and think, really think, about what it says.
http://increasingawareness.tumblr.c...dical-islam-vs-nazi-germany-a-germans-view-on

 

[Julia]

Bunyip, it sounds as though the blokes you were talking with were "bikers", as distinct from "bikies".
There's a world of difference.

 

[basilio]

You have taken the criminal actions of a a group of Muslims and tarred the entire religion and everyone who professes it with the same brush. Do you suggest that the the Muslim population as a whole would have anything except disgust for the actions you describe?

I believe that is still an accurate reflection of the way some posters view Islam and Muslims.

As I pointed out substitute the word Islam for any other nationality, race or religion and you can see where that takes us. Its as racist and xenophobic as it gets. You may as well say "The only good Muslim(or Indian or Negro or Commie or Jew) is a dead . Kill them all and let God take care of the innocent."

Incidentally that was the argument for pogroms that killed tens of thousands of Jews, the elimination of American Indians, the murder of millions of Armenians. Take your pick. History is full of current and historical examples of making an entire group responsible for the actions of a few.

It is an excuse for mass action. Ethnic cleansing. Final Solutions.

Julia asks why we haven't heard publicly from Muslims that are outraged by terrorist acts. Lots of possibilities here

1) Maybe you don't look for these comments
2) Maybe the mass media isn't that interested in looking for and carrying such comments
3) Given the sort of hysteria that the most vocal shock jocks promote in our community such comments would most likely be sneered at or taken as evidence of dissembling.
4) Inside the Muslim community there will be pressures to stay quiet or shut up.

By the way how many of us are prepared to publicly criticize the actions of our governments/allies or their armies when they commit murder and mayhem ? Lots of feet shuffling perhaps ? Or just stridently say we didn't do it / or they deserved it any way?

Julia you wanted a response to Whiskers comments regarding the disruption America had caused in many countries and the consequent flow of desperate refugees.

I thought Whiskers did respond appropriately (which was why I didn't feel the need to ) but I'll back it up anyway.

The USA has spearheaded economic sanctions of Iran to force the government to stop production of nuclear capable technology. As a consequence the economic situation in Iran has sharply deteriorated and many Iranians have tried to get out.

Clear enough ? That doesn't even touch the conversations about trashing Iraq or Afganistan and the upheaval that caused. The comment Whiskers made and I concurred with was that one of the causes (not the only one..) of many refugees was American military action.

With regard to many dredging up past American actions as a basis on which to judge a whole country . (Calliopes comment)

Frankly they are are not long past activities. Every Tuesday President Obama makes decisions on who will be targeted by drones. Guantanamo Bay stills holds hundreds of prisoners accused of terrorism many of whom have committed no crime There is no process of justice or releasing prisoners who should never have been there.

Check out the references I have listed below and ask yourself how should we view America in this light.?

Chris suggests that it is totally irrelevant that most Muslims seem to be decent, law abiding people who just want to live a good life with their family. I read the article you quoted Chris and I think there is more than one way of seeing it.

I can see the point that in many instances a small fanatical minority can through force of will and loudness of voice overwhelm a majority that can't/won't stand up to systemic viciousness.

Somehow Chris you have decided that rather than directly challenge the behavior of some people the simplest way out is to attack/banish the entire group. If you continue to do that would you be surprised if you were seen as an enemy and treated accordingly ?

In my view thats not on. Here or anywhere. It is a path to mistrust and community breakdown.

And I repeat I don't believe it's an acceptable way of behavior on ASF (Mods ?) or the wider Australian community.

Cheers


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...uantanamo-Bay-terrorist-secrets-revealed.html
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.co...ple-about-drone-deaths-and-you-can-be-killed/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lling-49-people-known-terrorist-Pakistan.html

 

[Julia]

Julia asks why we haven't heard publicly from Muslims that are outraged by terrorist acts. Lots of possibilities here

1) Maybe you don't look for these comments

I have just googled "responses by Muslim communities in Australia to recent Kenyan atrocity".
Not a single relevant hit.

2) Maybe the mass media isn't that interested in looking for and carrying such comments

OK, if that's the case and it's simply the lack of diligence by the media, I'm sure you can give us links to specific condemnation by Australian Muslims.

3) Given the sort of hysteria that the most vocal shock jocks promote in our community such comments would most likely be sneered at or taken as evidence of dissembling.

I think this remark is pretty insulting to most people here, very few of whom would be interested in the views of your shock jocks. I'd also guess that the audience of such obnoxious people more broadly in Australia is less than great.

4) Inside the Muslim community there will be pressures to stay quiet or shut up.

Why? If they were truly outraged, they'd speak out. There was no such reticence over the cartoons or various events.

By the way how many of us are prepared to publicly criticize the actions of our governments/allies or their armies when they commit murder and mayhem ?

There's plenty of it right here, basilio. Further, I don't know anyone who hasn't been absolutely prepared to express disapproval over various government actions.

Julia you wanted a response to Whiskers comments regarding the disruption America had caused in many countries and the consequent flow of desperate refugees.

I thought Whiskers did respond appropriately (which was why I didn't feel the need to ) but I'll back it up anyway.

The USA has spearheaded economic sanctions of Iran to force the government to stop production of nuclear capable technology. As a consequence the economic situation in Iran has sharply deteriorated and many Iranians have tried to get out.

Clear enough ? That doesn't even touch the conversations about trashing Iraq or Afganistan and the upheaval that caused. The comment Whiskers made and I concurred with was that one of the causes (not the only one..) of many refugees was American military action.

Even if all that constituted those countries being unfit to live in (and bearing in mind that Afghanistan in particular has lived with tribal warfare for pretty much all its existence), that does not make it Australia's responsibility to accept people who decide they'd rather live here than there.

Neither does it offer any justification for people not to apply to come to Australia through the recognised channels. There are plenty of venues for such applications in many countries between there and here.

 

[Chris45]

My initial post was concerning the outrageous and highly offensive comments by Sheik Khoder, broadcast by SBS, blaming the whole of Australia for the deaths of his boat people, comments that you have failed to condemn and I therefore assume you agree with.

I then expressed concerns for:

(1) The very real problem of the numbers of mainly Islamic boat people who are coming here demanding entry to our country, in complete disregard for our immigration laws, so they can "seek a better life" at our expense (90% of "asylum seekers" since 2003 are still on welfare). Seeking a better life is not a valid reason to demand entry to our country!

(2) The threat to our society and culture of the rapidly growing non-assimilated Muslim communities around us.

You have now twisted this discussion around to holocaust talk of ethnic cleansing and final solutions and appeals to the Mods to step in and silence me! Wow!!!

1) Maybe you don't look for these comments
2) Maybe the mass media isn't that interested in looking for and carrying such comments
3) Given the sort of hysteria that the most vocal shock jocks promote in our community such comments would most likely be sneered at or taken as evidence of dissembling.
4) Inside the Muslim community there will be pressures to stay quiet or shut up.

By the way how many of us are prepared to publicly criticize the actions of our governments/allies or their armies when they commit murder and mayhem ? Lots of feet shuffling perhaps ? Or just stridently say we didn't do it / or they deserved it any way?

1 & 2: The ABC and SBS that I listen to and watch, almost exclusively, is very sympathetic to Muslims and would most certainly publish denunciations of the acts of extremist Muslim barbarism if they were made.
4: Yes and this is the problem! If they were to stand up and publicly denounce these barbaric acts we could believe their claims to be decent and peaceful people. Remaining silent in the face of these atrocities implies acceptance and approval of the terrorists' actions. How can we respect and trust our Muslims as a group when they continue to remain silent?

Are you not aware of the numerous anti-war protests that many Australians have participated in over the years, going back to the Vietnam war? Have there been any anti-terrorist protests by Muslims ... anywhere in the world ... ever???

Anyway, enough about Muslims as a group. This thread is about boat people in general.

I personally will continue to view our Muslims with mistrust until they prove, by their actions, that they are not a threat to my culture and way of life, and you no doubt will continue to believe that they are all wonderful people who are a blessing to us all.

But please no more of this stupid talk of ethnic cleansing, final solutions, etc!

 

[basilio]

I notice that no one chose to comment on the evidence of USA continuing terrorism.I didn't want to make a meal of it but I thought that given the thousands of people who have lost their lives to drone attacks it might be worth food for thought.

Anyone interested in starting a vigil to highlight the people killed every week by USA drone attacks ? Perhaps to demand the release of the hundreds of innocent people still held in Guantamano Bay ? Maybe even some support for the poor sap who left us know about these criminal acts who is now serving 30 plus years in jail ?

Your right Chris that the discussion about the fitness of Muslims to be part of Australia is off topic. The fact that your brought the question up at all as a wholesale attack on the Isalmic religion was what I questioned. You went on to question their right to exist in Australia because in your view particular terrorist activities defined the whole group. You still hold the view that you mistrust all Muslims until the prove their trustworthiness.

Good luck to you.

I've had enough of this discussion.

Cheers.

 

[basilio]

Oh one final comment.

I do think that the statements by Sheik Kodar were off. But just to be clear, not standing up and denouncing every bit of racist dribble doesn't mean I defacto support it.

On ASF however I do feel compelled to push back against the more extreme views expressed by some people. After all if no one said anything when people describe the whole Islamic culture as danger to the world you could all say "Well clearly you agree with what we say because you haven't publicly opposed it "

 

[noco]

Yes I realize this is off thread but I thought it should be read as a follow through on previous discussions rather than under the thread "RELIGION IS CRAZY".

I don't mean to stir the pot but these are facts nobody can deny and I may have already posted this many moons ago.

In a generation or two, the US will ask itself: Who lost Europe ?'
Here is the speech of Geert Wilders, Chairman, Party for Freedom, the Netherlands , at the Four Seasons, New York , introducing an Alliance of Patriots and announcing the Facing Jihad Conference in Jerusalem .

Dear friends,

Thank you very much for inviting me.

I come to America with a mission. All is not well in the old world. There is a tremendous danger looming, and it is very difficult to be optimistic. We might be in the final stages of the Islamization of Europe. This not only is a clear and present danger to the future of Europe itself, it is a threat to America and the sheer survival of the West. The United States as the last bastion of Western civilization, facing an Islamic Europe.

First I will describe the situation on the ground in Europe . Then, I will say a few things about Islam. To close I will tell you about a meeting in Jerusalem .

The Europe you know is changing.

You have probably seen the landmarks. But in all of these cities, sometimes a few blocks away from your tourist destination, there is another world. It is the world of the parallel society created by Muslim mass-migration.

All throughout Europe a new reality is rising: entire Muslim neighborhoods where very few indigenous people reside or are even seen. And if they are, they might regret it. This goes for the police as well. It's the world of head scarves, where women walk around in figureless tents, with baby strollers and a group of children. Their husbands, or slaveholders if you prefer, walk three steps ahead. With mosques on many street corners. The shops have signs you and I cannot read. You will be hard-pressed to find any economic activity. These are Muslim ghettos controlled by religious fanatics. These are Muslim neighborhoods, and they are mushrooming in every city across Europe . These are the building-blocks for territorial control of increasingly larger portions of Europe , street by street, neighborhood by neighborhood, city by city.

There are now thousands of mosques throughout Europe . With larger congregations than there are in churches. And in every European city there are plans to build super-mosques that will dwarf every church in the region. Clearly, the signal is: we rule.

Many European cities are already one-quarter Muslim: just take Amsterdam , Marseille and Malmo in Sweden . In many cities the majority of the under-18 population is Muslim. Paris is now surrounded by a ring of Muslim neighborhoods. Mohammed is the most popular name among boys in many cities.

In some elementary schools in Amsterdam the farm can no longer be mentioned, because that would also mean mentioning the pig, and that would be an insult to Muslims.

Many state schools in Belgium and Denmark only serve halal food to all pupils. In once-tolerant Amsterdam gays are beaten up almost exclusively by Muslims. Non-Muslim women routinely hear '*****, *****'. Satellite dishes are not pointed to local TV stations, but to stations in the country of origin.

In France school teachers are advised to avoid authors deemed offensive to Muslims, including Voltaire and Diderot; the same is increasingly true of Darwin . The history of the Holocaust can no longer be taught because of Muslim sensitivity.

In England sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. Many neighborhoods in France are no-go areas for women without head scarves. Last week a man almost died after being beaten up by Muslims in Brussels , because he was drinking during the Ramadan.

Jews are fleeing France in record numbers, on the run for the worst wave of anti-Semitism since World War II. French is now commonly spoken on the streets of Tel Aviv and Netanya , Israel . I could go on forever with stories like this. Stories about Islamization.

A total of fifty-four million Muslims now live in Europe . San Diego University recently calculated that a staggering 25 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim just 12 years from now. Bernhard Lewis has predicted a Muslim majority by the end of this century.

Now these are just numbers. And the numbers would not be threatening if the Muslim-immigrants had a strong desire to assimilate. But there are few signs of that. The Pew Research Center reported that half of French Muslims see their loyalty to Islam as greater than their loyalty to France . One-third of French Muslims do not object to suicide attacks. The British Centre for Social Cohesion reported that one-third of British Muslim students are in favor of a worldwide caliphate. Muslims demand what they call 'respect'. And this is how we give them respect. We have Muslim official state holidays.

The Christian-Democratic attorney general is willing to accept sharia in the Netherlands if there is a Muslim majority. We have cabinet members with passports from Morocco and Turkey ..

Muslim demands are supported by unlawful behavior, ranging from petty crimes and random violence, for example against ambulance workers and bus drivers, to small-scale riots. Paris has seen its uprising in the low-income suburbs, the banlieus. I call the perpetrators 'settlers'. Because that is what they are. They do not come to integrate into our societies; they come to integrate our society into their Dar-al-Islam. Therefore, they are settlers.

Much of this street violence I mentioned is directed exclusively against non-Muslims, forcing many native people to leave their neighborhoods, their cities, their countries. Moreover, Muslims are now a swing vote not to be ignored.

The second thing you need to know is the importance of Mohammed the prophet. His behavior is an example to all Muslims and cannot be criticized. Now, if Mohammed had been a man of peace, let us say like Ghandi and Mother Theresa wrapped in one, there would be no problem. But Mohammed was a warlord, a mass murderer, a pedophile, and had several marriages - at the same time. Islamic tradition tells us how he fought in battles, how he had his enemies murdered and even had prisoners of war executed. Mohammed himself slaughtered the J ewish tribe of Banu Qurayza. If it is good for Islam, it is good. If it is bad for Islam, it is bad.

Let no one fool you about Islam being a religion. Sure, it has a god, and a here-after, and 72 virgins. But in its essence Islam is a political ideology. It is a system that lays down detailed rules for society and the life of every person. Islam wants to dictate every aspect of life. Islam means 'submission'. Islam is not compatible with freedom and democracy, because what it strives for is sharia. If you want to compare Islam to anything, compare it to communism or national-socialism, these are all totalitarian ideologies.

Now you know why Winston Churchill called Islam 'the most retrograde force in the world', and why he compared Mein Kampf to the Quran. The public has wholeheartedly accepted the Palestinian narrative, and sees Israel as the aggressor. I have lived in this country and visited it dozens of times. I support Israel . First, because it is the J ewish homeland after two thousand years of exile up to and including Auschwitz, second because it is a democracy, and third because Israel is our first line of defense.

This tiny country is situated on the fault line of jihad, frustrating Islam's territorial advance. Israel is facing the front lines of jihad, like Kashmir, Kosovo, the Philippines , Southern Thailand, Darfur in Sudan , Lebanon , and Aceh in Indonesia . Israel is simply in the way. The same way West-Berlin was during the Cold War.

The war against Israel is not a war against Israel . It is a war against the West. It is jihad. Israel is simply receiving the blows that are meant for all of us. If there would have been no Israel , Islamic imperialism would have found other venues to release its energy and its desire for conquest. Thanks to Israeli parents who send their children to the army and lay awake at night, parents in Europe and America can sleep well and dream, unaware of the dangers looming.

Many in Europe argue in favor of abandoning Israel in order to address the grievances of our Muslim minorities. But if Israel were, God forbid, to go down, it would not bring any solace to the West It would not mean our Muslim minorities would all of a sudden change their behavior, and accept our values. On the contrary, the end of Israel would give enormous encouragement to the forces of Islam. They would, and rightly so, see the demise of Israel as proof that the West is weak, and doomed. The end of Israel would not mean the end of our problems with Islam, but only the beginning. It would mean the start of the final battle for world domination. If they can get Israel , they can get everything. So-called journalists volunteer to label any and all critics of Islamization as a 'right-wing extremists' or 'racists'. In my country, the Netherlands , 60 percent of the population now sees the mass immigration of Muslims as the number one policy mistake since World War II. And another 60 percent sees Islam as the biggest threat. Yet there is a greater danger than terrorist attacks, the scenario of America as the last man standing. The lights may go out in Europe faster than you can imagine. An Islamic Europe means a Europe without freedom and democracy, an economic wasteland, an intellectual nightmare, and a loss of military might for America - as its allies will turn into enemies, enemies with atomic bombs. With an Islamic Europe, it would be up to America alone to preserve the heritage of Rome , Athens and J erusalem .

Dear friends, liberty is the most precious of gifts. My generation never had to fight for this freedom, it was offered to us on a silver platter, by people who fought for it with their lives. All throughout Europe , American cemeteries remind us of the young boys who never made it home, and whose memory we cherish. My generation does not own this freedom; we are merely its custodians. We can only hand over this hard won liberty to Europe 's children in the same state in which it was offered to us. We cannot strike a deal with mullahs and imams. Future generations would never forgive us. We cannot squander our liberties. We simply do not have the right to do so.

We have to take the necessary action now to stop this Islamic stupidity from destroying the free world that we know.


Please take the time to read and understand what is written here, Please send it to every free person that you know, it is so very important.

 

[explod]

And so noco , what action is to be taken to solve all this?

 

[noco]

And so noco , what action is to be taken to solve all this?

Why do you ask me plod?........ Maybe you would be happy to see it happen.........or don't you care?

I think you should direct your question to Scott Morrison, the new Immigration Minister.

 

[basilio]

Oops . I meant to directly respond to the comments regarding the lack of appropriate Muslim response to terrorism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_towards_terrorism

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim...slims-when-we-condemn-violence_b_3125564.html

It took 9,000 officers, five days, and roughly $1 billion in lost revenue for Boston, but suspect one is dead and suspect two is in custody.

So let me start with the standard roll call: As an American Muslim, I condemn all violence in the name of religion. Terrorism has no religion and Islam is no exception. If the Tsarnaev brothers are guilty of the Boston bombings, then I hope they are brought to justice.

Is that condemnation clear enough? Because I'm pretty sure a whole lot of people instead read blah blah blah blah blah.

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/tam/categories/C167

You'll find scores of examples on this site of condemnation of Muslim terrorists acts.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/muslims-denounce-nairobi-mall-terrorist-attack-fox-news

Read the whole article and see just how many Muslim organisations condemned the Nairobi mall attack.

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/...669385_1_islamic-society-cair-boston-marathon
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=19139

Christian and Muslim religious leaders in Kenya have joined in condemning the murderous attack on the Westgate Mall by members of the Somalian radical group al-Shabaab.

Adan Wachu, the secretary-general of the Supreme Council of Muslims in Kenya, said that his group has sought to ensure inter-religious dialogue. “We are convinced beyond doubt that the attempt to sow seeds of discord between Muslims and Christians will fail miserably and that we shall remain united,” he said.

And so on.

Cheers

 

[noco]

Why do you ask me plod?........ Maybe you would be happy to see it happen.........or don't you care?

I think you should direct your question to Scott Morrison, the new Immigration Minister.

I should ask the question to anyone who prepared to answer.

WHY ARE MUSLIMS INFILTRATING INTO THE WESTERN WORLD IN DROVES AND FORCING THEIR IDEOLOGY ON TO NON MUSLIMS IF THEY ARE NOT AFTER WORLD DOMINATION?

 

[noco]

Is this the way we would like to see Australian women treated in the same manner?

I could NOT believe I could hear any sane person say YES.



More than 1. reason to kick them out of our country.Pity we can't vote on it

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Subject: Joys of Muslim Women





These are troubling times.

This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim. This is not heresy, and it will scare you.

Make sure you read the paragraph (in red) towards the end.






Joys of Muslim Women

by Nonie Darwish




In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child, consummating the marriage by 9. The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.







Even though a woman is abused, she can not obtain a divorce.

To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.

Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry. The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives 'at will' and the man does not have to say why he has beaten her.It does not matter if she dies from the beating she can always be replaced.




The husband is permitted to have 4 wives and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.




The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.




In the Western World (America) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife can not obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her. It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.




By passing this on, enlightened American women may avoid becoming a slave under Shariah Law.

Ripping the West in Two

Author and lecturer Nonie Darwish says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.




She recently authored the book, Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law.




Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel. He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza .




When he died, he was considered a "shahid," a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.




But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing. She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.




In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law - what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.




For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual. Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.




Peace and prosperity for one's children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.




While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics - one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.




While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.




It's hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.




While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.




In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so... You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mich. is one... and there are others...




I think everyone in the U.S. should be required to read this, but with the ACLU, there is no way this will be widely publicized, unless each of us sends it on!




It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.. some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While America is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America ..




This is your chance to make a difference...! Pass it on to your email list or at least those you think will listen..