US Election - Where Do You Stand?

[Knobby22]

Yea, yea. Did Fox inform you?
Hillary is younger, fitter and healthier than Donald Trump.

I know who I would want my money on - about who was most likely to die in office.

However to be fair according to Trump's doctor he will be the healthiest person ever to be President, look out Obama next time you go for a run, Trump may pass you!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...drank-alcohol-twitter-disagrees-a6773686.html

 

[Logique]

Personally I'd back the Donald in the physical health race.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...hing-seriously-wrong-hillary-clintons-health/ - 6 Jan 2016
...Democrat frontrunner Hillary Clinton’s disappearance from the debate stage last month left people speculating that the former First Lady took a long bathroom break, but now a law-enforcement source with inside connections is alleging that Clinton was missing from the stage due to health issues stemming from a previous brain injury.

These long-lasting symptoms stemming from a concussion and blood clot, according to a neurologist, suggest Clinton is suffering from post-concussion syndrome, which can severely impact her cognitive abilities....

...These are two people that aren’t just personal friends. I worked with one and then post law-enforcement worked with another on some related things. So, these aren’t anonymous people. These are good friends. Both of them told me the same thing, that after her speeches, whether she did a talk or a policy speech, she had to sit behind – she would come off the podium backstage – and have to sit and rest before making it back to the car because she was so fatigued, dizzy and disoriented.

Cardillo said these two security officials don’t know each other and do not live in the same state, but “their stories were almost identical.”

One of the men told him that Clinton was “very pale, kind of disoriented. He said she looked like she was about to faint. She was very pale, almost sweaty.”...

 

[SirRumpole]

Personally I'd back the Donald in the physical health race.

I hope this isn't a re run of the Obama birth certificate/religion beat up.

 

[luutzu]

I hope this isn't a re run of the Obama birth certificate/religion beat up.

I saw a clip of an interview where Trump was asked if he would "disavow" support from the leader of the KKK and Trump was dancing around the answer: I don't know who the guy is, send me a list of all the people who support me and I'll study them then tell you who I agree with etc.

Then a day later his campaign and himself made some video where he said the KKK is bad or something.

Just go to show the thinking behind these politicians: say what the polls said is good to say. If it's something that you disagree with, even on principle and moral grounds... does it affect your supporter base and offend more than it attract?

Yes I know all politicians do it, have done it since before democracy or politis were established... But in modern day democracy it's quite amazing these kind of salesmanship goes on unchallenged by journalist and even the electorates.

Every four years, we the masses are told what we want to hear... then they go away and do what they want to do. No wonder most people just ignore these sideshows and are just glad they haven't yet send in the troops to take them away.

 

[Logique]

I hope this isn't a re run of the Obama birth certificate/religion beat up.

Just bantering with Knobby SirR.

Besides, there was this American President called F.D.Roosevelt, who did alright from a wheelchair, a Democrat into the bargain. One of the greatest US Presidents ever, perhaps second only to Lincoln.

Although former NSW Premier Bob Carr once had to be prompted on this, initially naming the horse-riding, national park-creating Teddy Roosevelt (no slouch, don't get me wrong). But I digress.

 

[Knobby22]

Just bantering with Knobby SirR.

Besides, there was this American President called F.D.Roosevelt, who did alright from a wheelchair, a Democrat into the bargain. One of the greatest US Presidents ever, perhaps second only to Lincoln.

Although former NSW Premier Bob Carr once had to be prompted on this, initially naming the horse-riding, national park-creating Teddy Roosevelt (no slouch, don't get me wrong). But I digress.

John Curtain was no slouch either.

 

[Logique]

John Curtain was no slouch either.

Yes agreed.

 

[SirRumpole]

John Curtain was no slouch either.

Curtin.

 

[Logique]

"The Truth About Hillary", by Edward Klein 2005 is a good read if you can get hold of it.

The book is none too complimentary about Hillary, painting her as a duplicitous, power hungry, gender feminist and virago.

From page 14:

"..In short, everything about Hillary was ambiguous; everything she stood for, she stood for the opposite. She seemed to lack the innate knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong, and the obligation to tell the truth."

Ouch. If the race is Trump Vs Clinton, it's going to get ugly.

 

[SirRumpole]

"The Truth About Hillary", by Edward Klein 2005 is a good read if you can get hold of it.

The book is none too complimentary about Hillary, painting her as a duplicitous, power hungry, gender feminist and virago.



Ouch. If the race is Trump Vs Clinton, it's going to get ugly.

Depends on what side Mr Klein is on.

His book may be equivalent to a biography of Bob Hawke written by Paul Keating.

 

[DB008]

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-03-26/with-all-due-respect-best-of-the-week-03-26-16

 

[DB008]

Clinton - the more l read about her, the more of her I disapproval of.

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Clinton Campaign Uses Noise Machine To Block Reporters From Hearing Fundraiser Speech​

Hillary Clinton’s campaign team reportedly used a static noise machine on Thursday to block reporters outside of a fundraiser in Denver from hearing her remarks.

That’s according to Stan Bush, a reporter for Denver’s CBS-4, who was stationed outside of the event, which was held outdoors at the home of Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, a superdelegate who has endorsed Clinton.

Bush said that the noise interference machine was turned on after a band — later identified as Big Head Todd and the Monsters — finished playing music and before Clinton spoke. The device was placed inside of a fence on the property and aimed in the direction of the press, Bush wrote.

He posted video showing what it sounded like outside of the event before and after the machine was turned on. The device produced a low-intensity throbbing noise, much like a helicopter off in the distance.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/07/clinton-campaign-uses-noise-machine-to-block-reporters-from-hearing-fundraiser-speech/​

 

[Craton]

Clinton - the more l read about her, the more of her I disapproval of.

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That's an interesting ploy. I can understand though as the papparazzi are well known for blowing things out of all proportion, taking comments out of context and putting on whatever spin they want to suit their agendas.

I shudder to think of a world where Trump is "...the most powerful man in the world."

Hillary as prez would be a far better option as she has the political nouse especially on the international front that Donald has yet to earn, let alone prove.

 

[wayneL]

That's an interesting ploy. I can understand though as the papparazzi are well known for blowing things out of all proportion, taking comments out of context and putting on whatever spin they want to suit their agendas.

I shudder to think of a world where Trump is "...the most powerful man in the world."

Hillary as prez would be a far better option as she has the political nouse especially on the international front that Donald has yet to earn, let alone prove.

I shudder to thinkvof any of them +especially+ Hillary... And even more especially Bernie.

Its London to a brick on Hillary though.

 

[luutzu]

I shudder to thinkvof any of them +especially+ Hillary... And even more especially Bernie.

Its London to a brick on Hillary though.

You haven't been paying attention Sifu: Clinton is not going to win. Sanders will. I'll put $5 on it.

Most Americans do not trust any establishment politicians, that's why a big number of Republicans goes for Trump and why Sanders is either breaking even or leading Clinton on most national polls.

People do not trust Clinton at all. Add to that the general distrust of politicians and the current standard operation procedures, Americans have two road to take: A revolution to the Left or a revolution to the far Right... the polls and Sanders popularity and last 7 wins out of 8; that and Republicans are voting for Cruz because they want to vote against Trump... mean that in the general election, Sanders will win.

 

[Craton]

I shudder to thinkvof any of them +especially+ Hillary... And even more especially Bernie.

Its London to a brick on Hillary though.

Yeah, like here in Oz, there's just no one that stands out as a "leader".

You haven't been paying attention Sifu: Clinton is not going to win. Sanders will. I'll put $5 on it.

Most Americans do not trust any establishment politicians, that's why a big number of Republicans goes for Trump and why Sanders is either breaking even or leading Clinton on most national polls.

People do not trust Clinton at all. Add to that the general distrust of politicians and the current standard operation procedures, Americans have two road to take: A revolution to the Left or a revolution to the far Right... the polls and Sanders popularity and last 7 wins out of 8; that and Republicans are voting for Cruz because they want to vote against Trump... mean that in the general election, Sanders will win.

Also tend to agree. The Clinton's have had their time in the sun.

 

[DB008]

'The system is rigged': widespread dissatisfaction among US voters​

An angry Donald Trump supporter in Colorado set fire to his Republican party registration card. The Democratic superdelegates supporting Hillary Clinton are fielding an influx of calls and emails from frustrated Bernie Sanders supporters putting pressure on them to switch candidates.

The rise of anti-establishment candidates like Sanders and Trump has thrown into sharp relief the mess of rules and processes deliberately designed to keep these candidates from clinching the nomination. For these voters, and the many more across the political spectrum just waking up to the ground rules of the highest-stakes game in the country, the primary races can seem horribly unfair.

“Why should the states, the party organizations and the voters go through all the hype, expense and time to have a primary when the party poobahs make the ultimate decision,” said Don Grafues, one of more than 300 readers who responded to a Guardian callout on voter dissatisfaction with the primary process.

In the callout, readers expressed serious misgivings about the way the parties select their nominees, describing the modern primary process as “rigged”, “undemocratic” and a “charade”. A preponderance of respondents who said they felt “cheated” are supporters of Trump or Sanders, the two candidates with broad appeal among voters who feel disenfranchised and excluded from inside-the-Beltway politics.

“Now that we have true grassroots, anti-establishment, populist candidates on both sides [Sanders and Trump], the political machine is in full survival mode to maintain the status quo,” wrote Chris Ritz, a Sanders supporter. “Party leaders sense a real and direct threat from both campaigns … and both major parties are going to use every tool they have to block what they feel is a threat to their very existence.”

Voter anxiety is exacerbated among Republicans who could in effect have their votes nullified if the candidates manage to hold off Trump and force a contested convention. Trump has skillfully played into this mounting sense of futility.

“The system is rigged,” the candidate said on Fox News, claiming that results of last week’s Colorado convention proved the process was designed to shut out insurgent candidates. “I see it now, 100%. And not just on our side, but I think it is worse on the Republican side.”

Last month, Trump warned that supporters could “riot” if he doesn’t secure the nomination at the party’s convention this summer.

These kinds of “shenanigans”, as Trump has called such efforts to obstruct him from winning the nomination, are exactly why Wendy Kranmer, of Turin, New York, is pessimistic about politics.

“The reason I never voted is because I thought of corruption,” Kranmer said, speaking before a Trump rally in Rome. “I thought maybe I was wrong or unfair, but it’s [the electoral process this year] kind of making me think there’s a lot of corruption and your voice doesn’t count.”

Yet she plans to vote, at age 52, for the first time ever, for Trump in the New York primary next week in hopes that it will count.

Meanwhile, Sanders’ rabid fanbase is confounded by the fact that after seven straight victories he has barely dented Clinton’s more than 200-delegate lead. Just this weekend, Sanders won Wyoming by a double-digit margin, yet each candidate walked away with seven delegates.

Sanders supporters are especially upset by the role of superdelegates, a constellation of elected officials and other party elites who can vote for whichever candidate they prefer at the convention – and most are backing Clinton.

“It’s insanely hypocritical for the party that protests voter ID laws to embrace other forms of elitist disenfranchisement,” wrote Jay Lindsey, a Democrat, referring to the superdelegate system.

Yet even without superdelegates, Clinton maintains a more than 200-plus delegate lead over Sanders, whose candidacy now hinges on his winning as many delegates as possible in the upcoming contests in New York, Pennsylvania and California.

While many disagree with the superdeleagte system, Sanders supporters are not above playing the game if it will help the socialist Democrat win the nomination. Even Sanders’ campaign has acknowledged that it is working to “flip” superdelegates.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/13/guardian-reader-callout-voter-dissatisfaction-us-election-2016​

 

[sptrawler]

It is very hard to call a U.S election, as they don't have compulsory voting.

But it will be really interesting if Trump gets in, it will liven up the World dynamics somewhat.IMO

 

[DB008]

Keeping Wall Street Speeches Secret Speaks Volumes About Hillary Clinton​

It’s been roughly three months since Hillary Clinton promised, during her Feb. 4 debate with Bernie Sanders on the eve of the New Hampshire primary, to “look into” releasing the transcripts of her paid speeches to Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street investment houses.

All told, according to McChesney’s meticulous research, Clinton pulled in a whopping $21.7 million in speaking fees for the two-year period. Of this amount, $3,260,000 came from 14 speeches delivered directly to financial-sector interests, including Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, and, above all, Goldman, which remitted a tidy $675,000 for no less than three chin-wags.

“I was watching the debate … when she said she would look into [releasing the speeches],” McChesney told me in an interview I conducted with him last week via email, as his phone was down as a result of a north Kansas thunderstorm. “I just knew it was a complete blow-off answer.

“I find it to be completely disqualifying,” he continued, regarding Clinton’s presidential bid. “It says a lot about our system when such brazen bribery is wholly accepted. So about … an hour or so after the debate, it just hit me to start a clock to hold her accountable.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/keeping_wall_street_speeches_secret_speaks_volumes_20160501?utm_source=feedburner&amp%3Butm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%25253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%25253A+Drilling+Beneath+the+Headlines

 

[SirRumpole]

Keeping Wall Street Speeches Secret Speaks Volumes About Hillary Clinton​

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/keeping_wall_street_speeches_secret_speaks_volumes_20160501?utm_source=feedburner&amp%3Butm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%25253A+Truthdig+Truthdig%25253A+Drilling+Beneath+the+Headlines

Fair suck of the sauce mate, if you could earn zillions just by talking to a few stuffed shirts wouldn't you do it ?