Labor's carbon tax lie

[IFocus]

Their agenda, or the greens?

Good point Springhill is was on Labors agenda but ruled out by Gillard before the election Labor maybe looking to secure a deal now before July and Greens holding the balance of power in the senate.

 

[medicowallet]

Can anyone easily help me.

The way I figure, if the carbon tax is paid for by the energy companies, and they pass it on,

then we pay GST on the cost.

Where is the extra GST revenue going?

Where is the Carbon tax really going?

Why would we want to pay money for something that will not reduce temperature ( 0.001 degrees by 2020 improvement from where we would have been)

I smell cushy jobs for retired pollies, and I smell massive kickbacks and fraud.

 

[joea]

Hi.
Juliar Gillard is "DONE AND DUSTED"

She has imploded!

Actually I do not know if that's good or bad! for Austarlia.

Bill Shorten here is looking at you.

 

[So_Cynical]

What's clear from that interview is the utter contempt Labor and Mother Gillard have for the Australian people.

LOL Jones contempt and disrespect is what's overwhelmingly clear...what a total grub he is.

 

[IFocus]

Please explain ............. How is this "price on carbon" (notice I was very careful to not use the word TAX) going to benefit me? I have googled, binged, AskJeeves and Wikianswers and for the life of me I just don't get it?

How is taxing people who use carbon content fuels for energy going to lower greenhouse-gas emissions???????

Oh wait .... I found this perfect statement that explains everything there is to know about why we need a CARBON TAX.

"So in order to reduce the fees, utilities, business and individuals attempt to use less energy derived from fossil fuels"

and this one ........

"Carbon tax also encourages alternative energy by making it cost-competitive with cheaper fuels."

Whooooaaaa MAMA ........ how about this then?

"And don't forget about all the money raised by the tax. It can help subsidize environmental programs or be issued as a rebate."

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IFocus and So_Cyclical ...... tell me you are not serious?

This is not about Labor/Liberal ...... I REALLY DON'T GIVE A FLYING FLICK ABOUT THE POLITICS. This is not going to do anything at all? Ok ok okok okk .... Let's tax the great big naughty carbon polluting companies. Then we collect the tax and pay it back as "compensation" to the people affected by paying more for electicity for example. What's the point again?

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explain it to me in very simple terms as to how this is a good thing???

(and check your politics at the door before entering the discussion)

The Government believes there is climate change and that its man made.

There is a is a range of beliefs through the coalition from one side to the other.

If you added up all the members of parliament lower and upper houses (greens / independents) I suspect there would be >50% believers by what margin I don't know.

To some degree this is reflected in the community particularly the younger generation, is there a >50% I don't know but certainly there is a significant proportion who are believers.

As Combet said today pretty much all governments world wide support the climate change / carbon link in some form or other.

If this is the case then doing some thing makes sense.

There is some considerable belief that using a market mechanism i.e. tax / trading scheme is a very effective method of changing carbon production levels.

I have worked for larger company's across a range of industries and seen that they will respond and respond quickly to government policy's.

I think you are on the non believers side so obviously you would oppose my points above.

My own position is that I think there is a likely link between carbon and climate.

I know that the earths energy resources are finite (coal I know doesn't apply here)
Pollution levels world wide at current trends are way beyond any sort of longer term sustainability.

A price on carbon will have some impact on the above to what degree I don't know but the upside out weights the down side considerably IMHO.

The question for me is how well the Gillard Government will work through for the best out come against all the competing interests and on recent past form courage, cunning and balls have been missing the mining tax being a good example.

Failure to resolve the worlds energy needs will result in wars and they will be terrible as we work our way to the end of oil.

 

[IFocus]

What's clear from that interview is the utter contempt Labor and Mother Gillard have for the Australian people.

What was clear was Jones shock jock disgusting behavior

He treatment of an Australian Prime Minister was a great example of the low live scub bag that he is.

I don't remember Howard or any other PM every being treated with such arrogance and contempt.

Thank god we don't have the dog over here.

 

[IFocus]

Broken promises yes there are many

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/gallery-e6frg6n6-1226011992172?page=1

 

[drsmith]

Tell me IF, do you think a broad based consumption tax such as a carbon tax should be introduced in this way, or at all ?

If so, would you have been as forgiving of Howard's GST if it was introduced in the same way ?

 

[sails]

What was clear was Jones shock jock disgusting behavior

He treatment of an Australian Prime Minister was a great example of the low live scub bag that he is.

I don't remember Howard or any other PM every being treated with such arrogance and contempt.

Thank god we don't have the dog over here.

I think Jones expressed the anger for many Australians over this blatant lie.

Broken promises yes there are many

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/gallery-e6frg6n6-1226011992172?page=1

Sorry, but this isn't just a change of mind over a minor policy. This is a major tax and I think Ms Gillard should do the decent thing and not introduce it until she has a clear mandate by the people by winning in her own right AND stating that carbon tax will introduced it if alp is elected. Surely, the honourable thing is to either call a new election now OR wait until the next election comes. But somehow "honourable" and the current alp don't sound right in the same sentence.

IMO, this shows blatant contempt for the Australian people to hoodwink them for votes with no apparent intention of keeping that promise. Within days of the election decision last year, Gillard and Swan were appealing to the new parliament to let them put a price on carbon in this term to deliver certainty for business.

JULIA Gillard and Wayne Swan have appealed to the new parliament to let them put a price on carbon in this term to deliver certainty for business.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...tainty-on-carbon/story-fn59niix-1225929714105

 

[ROE]

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?optio...=8186&sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d66da27b250bb14,0

Full interview with Jones

 

[noco]

What was clear was Jones shock jock disgusting behavior

He treatment of an Australian Prime Minister was a great example of the low live scub bag that he is.

I don't remember Howard or any other PM every being treated with such arrogance and contempt.

Thank god we don't have the dog over here.

Excuse me but who is really the 'SCUM BAG'? Jones was doing his job in exposing this scum bag of a Prime Minister FOR WHAT SHE IS. LIAR! LIAR! LIAR!

 

[Julia]

I highly doubt Gillard will be toppled this term. She lacks Rudd's ego and actually speaks to her ministers.

Isn't it more important to consider whether she is doing the right thing by the electorate? Of course her ministers are going to toe the line. She absolutely clearly went to the electorate with the crystal clear statement that there would be no carbon tax. People voted for her on that basis. Now she has totally betrayed the trust of those people.

Unfortunately they cannot throw her out, so soon after beheading Rudd, and not make themselves an object of even more ridicule than they are now.

It is often said that the people deserve the government they have. The Australian people do not deserve what we are getting now.

LOL Jones contempt and disrespect is what's overwhelmingly clear...what a total grub he is.

He simply is prepared to express the thoughts of and act as a conduit for the total disgust of the people in terms of Gillard's lies and broken promises, not to mention her utter waste of taxpayer dollars from people who are doing it damn hard themselves and who view additional power price rises as a result of the carbon tax as the last straw.

Why should he not challenge her?

Respect needs to be earned. Ms Gillard has done nothing to earn respect from anyone other than those die hard Labor supporters who are too much part of the cult to possess an atom of objectivity.

Poll I saw today showed 85% against the carbon tax.
Hardly a ringing endorsement, is it?

The Government believes there is climate change and that its man made.

There is a is a range of beliefs through the coalition from one side to the other.

If you added up all the members of parliament lower and upper houses (greens / independents) I suspect there would be >50% believers by what margin I don't know.

You have no basis for making this statement. If you are going to make a statement like that you need to post a link to research which demonstrates your point.
If you can't do that, all you are doing is attempting to shore up your own opinions with no basis in fact.

To some degree this is reflected in the community particularly the younger generation, is there a >50% I don't know but certainly there is a significant proportion who are believers.

Really? Again you are absolutely guessing with the same motives as above.

Let's wait for some valid surveys. If we do in fact see >50% approval for a carbon tax I will be very surprised.

As Combet said today pretty much all governments world wide support the climate change / carbon link in some form or other.

Yeah? That will be why the USA, China, India etc are committed to pricing carbon???
They have made absolutely clear they will be doing no such thing.
But all is fine with you if Australia is globally disadvantaged, and its citizens penalised to no positive end, just so Gillard can remain in power with the support of the Greens who are absolutely dictating policy.

Have you even listened to Christine Milne's triumphant gloating that they have inspired the policy Australia needs to have?
And, for god's sake, we have yet to have the bloody Greens with the balance of power in the Senate!.

A price on carbon will have some impact on the above to what degree I don't know but the upside out weights the down side considerably IMHO.

Does it really? Perhaps you'd be good enough to detail the upside for all of us who can look forward to massively rising electricity costs, plus the proportional increase on absolutely everything we consume, given electricity is a component of pretty much everything.
And when you're done with that, maybe then detail what you actually might be prepared to acknowledge is the 'downside'.

I can't wait.

 

[-Bevo-]

http://www.2gb.com/index2.php?optio...=8186&sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d66da27b250bb14,0

Full interview with Jones

Sounds like the real Julia nasty bit of work she is, guessing the fake Julia said no carbon tax under a government I lead.

And these are the bright minds in control of our country frightening.

 

[So_Cynical]

Why should he not challenge her?

Respect needs to be earned. Ms Gillard has done nothing to earn respect from anyone other than those die hard Labor supporters who are too much part of the cult to possess an atom of objectivity.

Seriously Julia...if you genuinely don't think that grub Jones wasn't totally disrespectful of the office and the person then there's really no hope for the salvation of your humanity.

Jones was purely pandering to his audience, the PM should of gave the DH a mouthful...seriously im done with the political threads, its just...i mean its like having to deal with the worst level of society, objectivity is a nonsense when dealing with the ASF right, or any extremists i would suppose.

Last word on the Carbon tax we are going to get (remember when i said a price on carbon was inevitable) what's become clear to me is that our political system is so totally floored that its a wonder anything positive ever gets done...the simplest things take decades to achieve because politicians get elected by people that simply wont accept inevitability.

Politicians spin to us because they have to, they sell policy because the masses need to be convinced that XYZ is good for them, they need it packaged and softened because the Masses haven't got a bloody clue....we should of had a price on carbon for the last decade or so but little Johnny etc couldn't do it, couldn't deal with the inevitable and the political ramifications of acting responsibly so they just did nothing.

And because of that, the coming pain will be so much worse than it ever had to be...in life doing nothing in the face of inevitability is never a good idea, works the same way in politics too, doing nothing is never a good option when something needs to be done to manage the inevitable.

 

[drsmith]

Wong and Hunt debate carbon pricing on Lateline.

Video

http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/02/25/3149601.htm

Transcript

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2011/s3149601.htm

 

[IFocus]

Tell me IF, do you think a broad based consumption tax such as a carbon tax should be introduced in this way, or at all ?

If so, would you have been as forgiving of Howard's GST if it was introduced in the same way ?

No argument on the method or approach Labor since the Rudd election have had a woeful record.

As for the tax its still a discussion paper seems the independents are the only ones that picked up on this.

 

[IFocus]

Julia;614824]

You have no basis for making this statement. If you are going to make a statement like that you need to post a link to research which demonstrates your point.
If you can't do that, all you are doing is attempting to shore up your own opinions with no basis in fact.

No I think if you follow politics further than the headlines its a fair statement.

Really? Again you are absolutely guessing with the same motives as above.

Let's wait for some valid surveys. If we do in fact see >50% approval for a carbon tax I will be very surprised.

Please I am talking about a link between carbon and climate I would think there is little support for a new tax.

Yeah? That will be why the USA, China, India etc are committed to pricing carbon???
They have made absolutely clear they will be doing no such thing.
But all is fine with you if Australia is globally disadvantaged, and its citizens penalised to no positive end, just so Gillard can remain in power with the support of the Greens who are absolutely dictating policy.

Please again I am talking about a link between carbon and climate not the method of dealing with it.

Have you even listened to Christine Milne's triumphant gloating that they have inspired the policy Australia needs to have?
And, for god's sake, we have yet to have the bloody Greens with the balance of power in the Senate!.

Yep and the Australian people voted them in......................

Does it really? Perhaps you'd be good enough to detail the upside for all of us who can look forward to massively rising electricity costs, plus the proportional increase on absolutely everything we consume, given electricity is a component of pretty much everything.
And when you're done with that, maybe then detail what you actually might be prepared to acknowledge is the 'downside'.

Can you ever do some of your own research?

I can't wait.

Nor can I.

 

[sails]

It never ceases to amaze me how things get twisted so much out of proportion. IFocus actually believes that the Australian people voted for the greens to to run the country. Are alp supporters so uneducated that they can't grasp simple facts? Greens were just lucky there was a hung parliament which put them in the box seat - for now.

I expect the greens will suffer a similar demise to the Australian Democrats in time.

And Gillard has no mandate. She has never been an elected PM and got in by negotiation with two independents who apparently were more labor at heart than their conservative electorates realised.

Aussie first preference votes didn't want her, but two party preferred put her level pegging with Abbott. That's not a win in anybody's books and most certainly not a mandate.

She should do the honourable and call another election BEFORE implementing this tax.

Does anyone know if there are any reputable petitions to call for this government to be sacked or at least to have the carbon tax prevented until there is new election? I found this one, but not sure if it's reputable: http://www.stopgillardscarbontax.com/

I would prefer something on a government official epetition site such as the Qld petition on daylight saving.

 

[Smurf1976]

we should of had a price on carbon for the last decade or so but little Johnny etc couldn't do it, couldn't deal with the inevitable and the political ramifications of acting responsibly so they just did nothing.

And because of that, the coming pain will be so much worse than it ever had to be...

Get set for some more interesting energy debates once the carbon price is settled and it comes time to actually do what's necessary to cut emissions. Last time I checked, the Greens were none too keen on drilling gas wells everywhere, "industrial scale" wind farms, nuclear power, or hydro. And yet that's exactly what we've effectively just committed to building, the only questions being which and where.

 

[Calliope]

Sounds like the real Julia nasty bit of work she is, guessing the fake Julia said no carbon tax under a government I lead.

And these are the bright minds in control of our country frightening.

This picture says it all. Brown posing as the alpha male flanked by his two subordinate women, with yes-men behind.