Legalising Marijuana

[moXJO]

The only people who have any reason to support illegality of pot are those who don't believe in personal freedom. The same kind of people who believe in legislating what we are allowed to do in the bedroom. Unfortunately, that includes most politicians, because they are intrinsically authoritarian and frequently trying to exert control over us (e.g. the plan to censor the internet) instead of enabling individuals to live a happy, fulfilled, life and make their own decisions.

Hey moonbeam
you been on the high thc stuff? I've got an article for you

Such research is in the very early stages, but it does back up clinical evidence that marijuana can cause paranoia and schizophrenic-like symptoms in some people..

http://mentalhealth.about.com/od/chemicaldependency/a/thcyale604.htm

PS: the toaster is bugging your thoughts





PPS: I'm just taking the piss

 

[Wysiwyg]

Socially, economically, logically it should be legal.

You want to make this mind altering drug easily available to the young, impressionable and highly susceptible minds of our society but have no idea, repeat no idea, of the harm it can do to a persons` brain.

It is more useful and far less dangerous than drugs that are legal, alcohol and tobacco. Its prohibition is huge a waste of money and legalising it would generate decent tax revenue. Legalised, it would direct money to the government, instead of to criminals. Crims would get poorer, while everyone else would pay less tax or get better government services.

The highlighted says it all. You couldn`t give a stuff about the innocent young lives that are wrecked by trying and becoming addicted / habitual users.

Minority thinker thankfully.

 

[nomore4s]

You want to make this mind altering drug easily available to the young, impressionable and highly susceptible minds of our society but have no idea, repeat no idea, of the harm it can do to a persons` brain.

Am I missing something here? But isn't it already freely available to the young?

I'm pretty sure nearly any high school student would know how to get hold of some.

 

[nunthewiser]

Am I missing something here? But isn't it already freely available to the young?

I'm pretty sure nearly any high school student would know how to get hold of some.

In fact one could almost claim that it is easier for the high school student to get a bag of dope than it would be to get someone to go to the bottleshop for them.

 

[pointr]

Read an excellent article many years ago in the Australian Medical journal by a Canadian doctor who had done much research. More carcinogenic than tobacco, associated with mental issues ie 'amotivational syndrome', schizophrenia, physical brain changes-ventricle size increased with chronic users ie because the brain tissue had shrunk, associated with feminizing characterisitcs in men-decreased red blood count and testicle size. We need to tighten up on our current 'legal' drug use not add to the problem

 

[Wysiwyg]

Am I missing something here? But isn't it already freely available to the young?

I'm pretty sure nearly any high school student would know how to get hold of some.

That is a broad assertion and I don`t know all the high school students to prove it wrong. Certainly when I was at school it was unheard of but that was in the 80`s.

 

[nunthewiser]

That is a broad assertion and I don`t know all the high school students to prove it wrong. Certainly when I was at school it was unheard of but that was in the 80`s.

I was in school in the early 80,s also , Dope was easier to get than alcohol.

It was a public school.

 

[derty]

I was in school in the early 80,s also , Dope was easier to get than alcohol.

It was a public school.

I'll second that.

Out of curiosity, Wysiwyg, moXJO, Tink and Happy. Have you ever smoked dope or spent any time within the drug culture?

 

[Junior]

I went to private school in the 90s and weed was def very easy to get ahold of. Easier than alcohol.

 

[Gone Fishin]

Yes I went to school in the 80's some interprising students use to grow the stuff in the surrounding bush lol

 

[Wysiwyg]

I'll second that.

Out of curiosity, Wysiwyg, moXJO, Tink and Happy. Have you ever smoked dope or spent any time within the drug culture?

I knew people that did and they were lazy, no-hoper-doper dole bludgers with an addiction to cigarettes too. I remember they were a placid bunch with low to negligible consciousness and a healthy appetite when drugged.

 

[awg]

Certainly when I was at school it was unheard of but that was in the 80`s.

Did you leave in Primary School?


When i was young, I thought it should be legalised.

However, I have personally witnessed a guy in his 30s( now deceased) develop Schizophrenia, seemingly as a result of heavy Pot use.

He had no indication of mental illness prior to commencing heavy use, following a relationship breakdown.

Seen a few other bad things too.

Causes Emphysimia, Bronchitis and Lung Cancer.

Also cause severe anorexia of the wallet

Read an interesting book once, about why humans have gone to such lengths to discover various hallucinogenic substances, despite the fact they are obscure, foul tasting, and even dangerous.

The conclusion was that people fundamentally want to experience "altered states of conciousness"

Having said that, I am also oppossed to an over-zealous legal response

Just call me a fence sitter

 

[nunthewiser]

Has removed last post as being an illegal substance marijuana is not something i am comfortable stating experiences in regards to it.

However from what i heard down the pub once was that dope smoking is not confined to the no-hopers and lazy ... quite a few "profesionals" and other higher career types have been known to partake in the odd toke from time to time.

 

[DB008]

One of my mates uses this. No smoke, so there goes the lung cancer argument. Vaporizer, way to go if your going to do it, IMO. I don't smoke of do drugs btw.


https://www.thevolcanovaporizer.com/

http://www.storzbickel.com/vaporizer/volcano-vaporization-system.html

 

[theasxgorilla]

Nooo way...

I grew up in a suburb where every second house was a pot dealer. Teenage years, all my friends from that area were stoners. At first use it seems fine but most of those friends ended up schizophrenic or committed suicide. In fact suicide rate seems very high. One mate (who was a heavy user) stabbed, then tried to burn down his next door neighbor’s house. He was later diagnosed with schizophrenia and locked in a mental ward for a few months. Then let back out and he tried to kill a cop went back in then let back out a few months later again. I've seen people that seemed really positive end up necking themselves, and a lot of wasted talent. Note: the majority did not drink alcohol either and were purely stoners
I'm not sure if it was the transition to hydro during the late 80's to early 90's. Back then people didn’t flush the plants with water for 2 weeks, so all those chemicals were still in the buds. Could have also been the high levels of THC associated with skunk or northern lights .

The happy stoner hippy is also a BS myth. The old stoners are more likely to have an extremely short temper, and in my experience get physical when they fly off in a rage.
Our mental health over here is atrocious, and the cost would blow out if pot were legally availably. A lot of it gets swept under the carpet.
Anyone who thinks pot is not as bad as alcohol is fooling themselves. It causes a lot of problems, both personal and social.
Why add another problem? Pot use has been slowly tapering off for years. And the current generation views it as the loser’s drug. E is the drug of choice now.

It's already legal to a degree anyway for personal use. If you get caught its (was) a $30 fine for a small amount.

I also grew up out in the outer eastern suburbs of Melbourne, where I can state that my experience was the demand frequently outstripped supply.

I agree with everything you've written. I can think of four school friends right this second who became victims of marijuana induced psychosis. I also believe what you believe about the kind of weed that causes this problem.

When people talk about moderate, it refers to so many different things. Moderate in frequency of use, moderate in the amount you smoke when you do smoke, and moderate in the strength of the dope you smoke. The same discussion can be had about anything, as Wayne has mentioned... McDonalds, alcohol, candy.

I believe the psychiatric ward at Maroondah Hospital in Ringwood was created to cope with the rise in drug induced psychosis out where I grew up. This was mostly due to speed and weed. I know too many people who went there.

I also believe that the amount of drug consumption increased in this area in response to the increase in the number of factories and factory workers out there. I think the people working in these jobs were often understimulated, underchallenged, with few future prospects. And the jobs themselves were so monkey-see-monkey-do with little variation that once they'd learned what to do they could cut their mental capacities in half and still perform adequately.

People talk about "coping" like you are weak if you take drugs, but I wouldn't overlook boredom as a backdrop to a lot of this. I know a lot of us probably have some fond memories of growing up in suburbia when it was the middle-Australian utopia, but some of us also couldn't escape it fast enough.

The key issue raised by the OP is that of making a criminal out of someone who practices responsible, medical use. I'm not sure Australian society could cope with legalised weed. But the medical use case might require an exception to that rule.

I for one hate being made a criminal when I partake of something I consider to be completely innocent... which it is in Holland where I live But I don't have a medical reason anyhow... I just enjoy the mind-altered state while I go on a Youtube run with some friends.

 

[theasxgorilla]

Has removed last post as being an illegal substance marijuana is not something i am comfortable stating experiences in regards to it.

However from what i heard down the pub once was that dope smoking is not confined to the no-hopers and lazy ... quite a few "profesionals" and other higher career types have been known to partake in the odd toke from time to time.

Hello again Nun,

Today's lesson, I shall be capitalised when used in the form of the perpendicular pronoun.

Carry on.

ASX.G

 

[nunthewiser]

Hello again Nun,

Today's lesson, I shall be capitalised when used in the form of the perpendicular pronoun.

Carry on.

ASX.G

Does "jamsandinyaclacker" need a fullstop or a capital J ?

I am trying.

Punctuation and capital letter use maybe a natural thing for you , but for me it is not . I have to work at it.

My spelling and english use in the written context has improved 10 fold since first appearing here at ASF.

I am trying.

 

[outback]

Hello again Nun,

Today's lesson, I shall be capitalised when used in the form of the perpendicular pronoun.

Carry on.

ASX.G

I thought they did away with executions years ago.

 

[prawn_86]

My spelling and english use in the written context has improved 10 fold since first appearing here at ASF.

Totally agree

On the dope topic, i dont have much to add, aside from what has already been said. The one thing that concerns me about weed though, is its not possibly to regulate the amount of THC that a user gets, from each 'dose'. That is to say, some plants will be higher (or lower) ever parts of plants will be different. Unlike a pill where you can Xmg of active substance, that is near impossible to measure when it comes to weed.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Perhaps this poor little macaque could find a home in basket weaving territory, Balmain , or some other part of Sydney.

He may end up being a "Senior NSW Politician"

Dope Smoking Monkey Needs New Home

A dope-smoking monkey that was once at the centre of a drugs raid is in need of a new home.

The rare Rhesus Macaque primate, whose pet name is Nobby, was caught up a police swoop.

gg