Discussions on Christianity

[SirRumpole]

So now you're cherry picking?

That is nothing to do with specifically being Jewish. Did you read the Romans passage?

Mark is in the Christian Bible and was referring to belief in Jesus which the Jews do not.

 

[wayneL]

In light of recent posts, a little levity

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[wayneL]

Mark is in the Christian Bible and was referring to belief in Jesus which the Jews do not.

What you've missed:

Some Jews do.
Some don't.
Some don't even believe in the God of Moses.
Some are Buddhists.
Some don't know what the @#$& they are.

Once again: https://youtube.com/@sobeit32ad?si=c8fe2-UgEDvKipc-

But this then before the question-

What "religion" was Jesus?
How about Matthew?
Possibly Luke?
Mark?
John?
Paul?
Peter, James, Steven etc etc.

Additionally, if you want some light reading and a different take, go to Jeremiah 2 and then John 15 (I actually have a personal story here, maybe one day after 15 pints of Guinness)

 

[farmerge]

As in all things to do with religion, it has "my point of view and beliefs are the only ones" down to "I couldn't give a tinkers cuss".
It's a discussion where to find two people in agreeance would be rare, unless they are from the same Christian belief.
As for me i couldn't care less as I don't believe in fairy tales.

 

[wayneL]

As in all things to do with religion, it has "my point of view and beliefs are the only ones" down to "I couldn't give a tinkers cuss".
It's a discussion where to find two people in agreeance would be rare, unless they are from the same Christian belief.
As for me i couldn't care less as I don't believe in fairy tales.

Why comment here then?

 

[Antirnator]

As for me i couldn't care less as I don't believe in fairy tales.

That is both racist and ahistorical, congrats

 

[JohnDe]

As in all things to do with religion, it has "my point of view and beliefs are the only ones" down to "I couldn't give a tinkers cuss".
It's a discussion where to find two people in agreeance would be rare, unless they are from the same Christian belief.
As for me i couldn't care less as I don't believe in fairy tales.

Religion seems to be like politics, everyone has an opinion, and those that know a little about it are the first to throw mud.

Reminds me of something my dad would quite often say to me. No questions asked, my dad took me to work with him at his business on Saturdays and most of school holidays. Customers would come in and try to tell him what the fault was and or how to fix the problem, or they would have already had a go at fixing it and making things worse. My dad would look at me and say, “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

Most of the people telling us about religion here, if not all, have very little knowledge about it. I've seen comments claiming that religion is the cause of war, to Buddhism being a better religion. Both comments made without any fact other than just repeating what they have heard.

There is a reason that the largest groups of migrants want to live in countries founded by Christian beliefs.

Christian beliefs influenced the formation of Australia's and the USA's early legal systems, political institutions, and social structures, though this influence has waned in recent decades with increasing secularism and diversity. In both countries, foundational principles were often shaped by Christian ideals of morality and justice, but the nations now have secular frameworks with a less dominant role for religion. The United States, for example, has a strong tradition of separation of church and state, while Australia maintains a secular government with some Christian traditions in its history, such as opening parliamentary sessions with prayer.

Influence on Foundations and Institutions

• Legal and Political Systems:
  Early leaders in both Australia and the USA drew on Christian principles when developing their legal and governmental systems. For instance, early Australian politicians believed that the country's constitution and jurisprudence were interwoven with Christian belief, a view also reflected in the development of American democracy.
  
  
• Social and Cultural Identity:
  Christian heritage played a significant role in shaping the social and cultural identity of both nations, contributing to traditions, holidays, and community structures.

 

[farmerge]

Religion seems to be like politics, everyone has an opinion, and those that know a little about it are the first to throw mud.

Reminds me of something my dad would quite often say to me. No questions asked, my dad took me to work with him at his business on Saturdays and most of school holidays. Customers would come in and try to tell him what the fault was and or how to fix the problem, or they would have already had a go at fixing it and making things worse. My dad would look at me and say, “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

Most of the people telling us about religion here, if not all, have very little knowledge about it. I've seen comments claiming that religion is the cause of war, to Buddhism being a better religion. Both comments made without any fact other than just repeating what they have heard.

There is a reason that the largest groups of migrants want to live in countries founded by Christian beliefs.

As I seem to have just put my feet into my mouth I will not be engaging on this thread further.
Only to say that "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing" a proven statement many times over and over.

 

[JohnDe]

As I seem to have just put my feet into my mouth I will not be engaging on this thread further.
Only to say that "a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing" a proven statement many times over and over.

Hi farmerge. It is ok to have an opinion and to have discussions, the only thing I take offence at is misinformation. I know that was not your aim or plan, but only that you were repeating what is commonly put across by others.

Discussion are a good form of sharing information and view points, but we should try to respect others opinions and beliefs. Christianity has become the kicking dog of many, and I can understand why, but for fairness there should be facts shared and innuendo pointed out.

I've grown up in a religious family, but it wasn't rammed down or throats, there were many dinner time conversations with extended family during Easter an Christmas. I went to a Catholic Primary and High School, both of the Dominican faith, which taught us the bible and the Christian faith, but they also shared information about the other important religions of the time, and we visited their temples and discussed their religions with the leaders of those churches, including Buddhist and Hindu.

Hearing or reading partial truths or complete inaccuracies lights my fire and energises my boiler.

I'm not a fully practicing catholic, I probably go to church 2 or 3 times a year, I alway question my faith and whether there is a god of not, but I also believe in the church and what it has given humanity these past 2000 years.

As I become a Bit more wiser with age I see the slow ringbarking of the society that has sustained our way of life; men wanting to be woman and aggressively fighting for the right, old views being frowned upon and shouted down, guilt trips for being part of a society that has drastically improved life when compared to only a few hundred years ago. For me, with all its failings, the church has created more than the problems t has caused. Western governments and democracies have been successful because they have followed most of the churches rules of fairness, equality, compassion for the poor and sick, faith in all and truth.

Imagine a world without the Christian beliefs, you don't have to because it is in the history books and still can be seen in some countries to this day.

Please continue to share your opinion, but I ask that you do not push it as fact unless you can back it up.

Some of what I was taught at school many years ago -

Catholic beliefs view poverty as an affront to human dignity, requiring active engagement to create just economic and social structures. The Catholic Church's teachings, known as Catholic Social Teaching (CST), emphasize the "preferential option for the poor," urging a focus on the needs of the marginalized. This includes promoting solidarity, the universal destination of goods (sharing resources), and a belief that private property is a gift to be used responsibly for the common good, not just for selfish gain.

Key Principles in Catholic Beliefs on Poverty

• Human Dignity:
  At the core of Catholic belief is the inherent dignity of every human person, which is violated by poverty. Socioeconomic structures that perpetuate poverty are seen as inherently unjust and require reform.
  
  
• Preferential Option for the Poor:
  This is a foundational principle of Catholic Social Teaching, meaning that the needs and rights of the poor should receive special attention and priority.
  
  
• Solidarity:
  Catholics are called to a commitment to the common good, understanding that the well-being of all people, especially the poor and vulnerable, is interconnected.
  
  
• Universal Destination of Goods:
  The Church teaches that all of creation is a gift from God to be shared by all humanity. This means that resources should be distributed so that everyone has what they need to live a life of dignity, not just material necessities but also opportunities to fulfill their potential.
  

Practical Actions and Responsibilities

• Service and Charity:
  Catholics are encouraged to engage in acts of service, such as volunteering, donating to charitable organizations, and advocating for policies that address the root causes of poverty.
  
  
• Justice:
  Beyond charity, there is a commitment to social justice, which involves working to transform economic and social structures to prevent poverty from existing.
  
  
• Critique of Selfishness:
  The Church teaches that an excessive or selfish love of wealth is incompatible with love for the poor. Individuals are called to share their goods and help the poor develop self-sufficiency.
  

Inspiration and Authority

• The Bible:
  The parable of the Good Samaritan and other scriptures provide a basis for compassion and a call to care for those in need.
  
  
• Pope Francis:
  Pope Francis has been a particularly strong advocate for the poor and established the World Day of the Poor to focus attention and action on the marginalized.
  
  
• Catholic Social Teaching (CST):
  This body of teaching provides principles for reflection, criteria for judgment, and guidelines for action on social and economic issues, including poverty.

 

[farmerge]

Hi farmerge. It is ok to have an opinion and to have discussions, the only thing I take offence at is misinformation. I know that was not your aim or plan, but only that you were repeating what is commonly put across by others.

Discussion are a good form of sharing information and view points, but we should try to respect others opinions and beliefs. Christianity has become the kicking dog of many, and I can understand why, but for fairness there should be facts shared and innuendo pointed out.

I've grown up in a religious family, but it wasn't rammed down or throats, there were many dinner time conversations with extended family during Easter an Christmas. I went to a Catholic Primary and High School, both of the Dominican faith, which taught us the bible and the Christian faith, but they also shared information about the other important religions of the time, and we visited their temples and discussed their religions with the leaders of those churches, including Buddhist and Hindu.

Hearing or reading partial truths or complete inaccuracies lights my fire and energises my boiler.

I'm not a fully practicing catholic, I probably go to church 2 or 3 times a year, I alway question my faith and whether there is a god of not, but I also believe in the church and what it has given humanity these past 2000 years.

As I become a Bit more wiser with age I see the slow ringbarking of the society that has sustained our way of life; men wanting to be woman and aggressively fighting for the right, old views being frowned upon and shouted down, guilt trips for being part of a society that has drastically improved life when compared to only a few hundred years ago. For me, with all its failings, the church has created more than the problems t has caused. Western governments and democracies have been successful because they have followed most of the churches rules of fairness, equality, compassion for the poor and sick, faith in all and truth.

Imagine a world without the Christian beliefs, you don't have to because it is in the history books and still can be seen in some countries to this day.

Please continue to share your opinion, but I ask that you do not push it as fact unless you can back it up.

Some of what I was taught at school many years ago -

@JohnDe Points taken and your post appreciated.
I am happy that you find something in your religion and faith.
I too was raised in a Christian family going to Church on Sundays and religious instruction at the State Schools (Primary and High School).
But for me there is nothing in it that would make me change my mind as a non believer.

 

[wayneL]

This an interesting witness.