Australia - Indigenous Deaths in Custody

[mullokintyre]

As I see it ,she has very little credibility amongst other aboriginals ,and representative aboriginal groups.She has her own agenda.Did she say anything contructive ?You cannot be captain of a football team if you have not got the respect of the rest of the team.

As you see it? On what basis do you say she has little credibility?? Are you speaking from first hand experience? Do you have any data to back that up, or are you just trolling? She has been voted in as a councillor in Alice Springs with a good percentage of them being Indigenous. You don't think perhaps some of them may think she is stating exactly what they feel, especially within the female Indigenous community.

 

[chiff]

As you see it? On what basis do you say she has little credibility?? Are you speaking from first hand experience? Do you have any data to back that up, or are you just trolling? She has been voted in as a councillor in Alice Springs with a good percentage of them being Indigenous. You don't think perhaps some of them may think she is stating exactly what they feel, especially within the female Indigenous community.

Is she on any representative bodies?I will carry on with the football ananology.If a member,or members of your team get into a fight,do you back them or try to discredit them?What she did was try to discredit them.She could have either backed them,or shut her mouth...You see,some people live by different codes,and hers is one of self interest...in my humble view

 

[wayneL]

Wow! Just feckin Wow!!!

Jacinta does not have the prescribed political view, therefore her view does not count?

For the love of all that is Holy, will you people listen to yourselves? That is the most toxic view I've ever heard.

Jacinta has done more for reconciliation than any person alive in my opinion, against all odds, against all those forces who actually work very hard against any sort of reconciliation for their own end.

Bloody Hell!!!!!!

 

[sptrawler]

Is she on any representative bodies?I will carry on with the football ananology.If a member,or members of your team get into a fight,do you back them or try to discredit them?What she did was try to discredit them.She could have either backed them,or shut her mouth...You see,some people live by different codes,and hers is one of self interest...in my humble view

Could your vitriol be because you are a member of the opposite team, if that is the case, it really doesn't matter which team a player plays for as long as they a good and fair player.
Slagging of at an opposition player, because you hate the other team is pretty pizz poor really, but par for course in Australian politics.
I guess when you were playing footy, you didn't shake the hand of the opposition players, advance Australia fair priceless.

 

[sptrawler]

Wow! Just feckin Wow!!!

Jacinta does not have the prescribed political view, therefore her view does not count?

For the love of all that is Holy, will you people listen to yourselves? That is the most toxic view I've ever heard.

Jacinta has done more for reconciliation than any person alive in my opinion, against all odds, against all those forces who actually work very hard against any sort of reconciliation for their own end.

Bloody Hell!!!!!!

The funny part is, they will be marching for a fair go for black people.

 

[chiff]

Could your vitriol be because you are a member of the opposite team, if that is the case, it really doesn't matter which team a player plays for as long as they a good and fair player.
Slagging of at an opposition player, because you hate the other team is pretty pizz poor really, but par for course in Australian politics.
I guess when you were playing footy, you didn't shake the hand of the opposition players, advance Australia fair priceless.

Back from 5 days in the Flinders....I saw this Jacinta Price on one of the ABC shows at least two years ago.She was opposed to the mainstream Aboriginal bodies and their aspirations.She believed (s) that people can live by bread alone.Things like constitutional recognition are irrelevant to her.The person on this forum that used her opinion ....I suggest could have been a liberal party,or IPA,operative.In the union movement they call people scabs,in the aboriginal movement,if they waste time on her,they would call her Aunty Tomasina.She has chosen her role and it is with the Liberal movement.
But ,the main thing I object to,is a self-styled smart-arse political operatives trying to manipulate opinions, without exposing themselves ,or the full story.(My brother took part in that behaviour when he was with the Liberal Party)

 

[chiff]

As you see it? On what basis do you say she has little credibility?? Are you speaking from first hand experience? Do you have any data to back that up, or are you just trolling? She has been voted in as a councillor in Alice Springs with a good percentage of them being Indigenous. You don't think perhaps some of them may think she is stating exactly what they feel, especially within the female Indigenous community.

Are you a member of a political party?The anology with football-You do not sell out your team members,you back them right or wrong.And if you do need to counsel them you do so in private.Is this person a member of the aboriginal team?

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

All this Black Lives Matter nonsense is completely absurd in Australia.

The indigenous population were never enslaved in Australia; it is academically dishonest and historically inaccurate for such claims to be maintained.

These animals that are ripping down and/or desecrating our statues should be thrown in gaol.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Are you a member of a political party?The anology with football-You do not sell out your team members,you back them right or wrong.And if you do need to counsel them you do so in private.Is this person a member of the aboriginal team?

This isn't about teams; this is about having civil discourse to address the grievances. Encouraging people to violently run rampant through our streets isn't the way to deal with this.
The obvious political solution is for the State and Federal governments to announce that they will erect some statues in honour of our first Australians.

 

[orr]

As you see it? On what basis do you say she has little credibility??
You don't think perhaps some of them may think she is stating exactly what they feel, especially within the female Indigenous community.

To address both of your points; You could 'tool up' a bit and read what a serious Indiginious Women has to say about Jacinta Price. Marcia Langton ? ever heard of her? If anything, very very little it appears. Feel comfortable though, you're amungst friends in that regard.

 

[wayneL]

To address both of your points; You could 'tool up' a bit and read what a serious Indiginious Women has to say about Jacinta Price. Marcia Langton ? ever heard of her? If anything, very very little it appears. Feel comfortable though, you're amungst friends in that regard.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Only Marcia's opinion counts.

 

[mullokintyre]

I don't belong to a political party, but thats pretty irrelevant. Anyone who posts on here can say they are something they are not, or represent themselves as something they are not. The only thing you can rely on is the ability to go and check the "facts" that people put forward. The rest is purely opinion. Your Opinion, Jacinta Prices opinion, Marcia Langtons opinion are just that. Indigenous viewpoints are not a homogenous groupthink, despite attempts to portray them as such. Marcia Langton does not speak for the residents of of Alice springs , just as Jacinta Price does not speak for the people of your area in NSW. But that does not make her opinions invalid. You give the impression that anything or anyone attached to the coalition side of the spectrum has nothing worthwhile to add. Perhaps this has become a mere politcal cancelling exercise, rather than a discussion about BLM.

 

[qldfrog]

Sadly taking a step back, it is pretty obvious the current situation is not right.crime level is abysmal, DV, education, the lot.
If we can agree that the current system is not working, it is pretty obvious that change is required.
And change is not adding more colour specific laws, it is going back to law order education and opportunities.

 

[macca]

Sadly taking a step back, it is pretty obvious the current situation is not right.crime level is abysmal, DV, education, the lot.
If we can agree that the current system is not working, it is pretty obvious that change is required.
And change is not adding more colour specific laws, it is going back to law order education and opportunities.

If we look at Alice Springs, the town used be a quiet backwater, in the past 10 years it has exploded, there are Soooooo many "help agencies" that the place is really busy.

The vast majority of the income is for people to assist the aboriginals, I would not be surprised if there are more helpers than those needing help.

Yet when I see a carer pushing a wheelchair the person sitting is appears to be an aboriginal but the carer is usually white. Why not train and employ an aboriginal person to do the pushing ?

Perhaps it is a case of they don't need to do it so they don't, which could be why some activists suggest stopping the dole and have a work scheme instead.

When in northern Qld on a tour we were supposed to have a local guide give us a talk for two hours, the Tour Driver started ringing the white coordinator at 7.00 am to confirm an 8.00 am start.

The coordinator could not get anyone to do it, the offer was $400 for two hour work (ten years ago ) they said "No, too early in the morning"

So we went to the art gallery instead, had a chat to the white manager and asked why no one was painting and she said "oh they only paint when they feel like it" which is OK but she wanders around doing nothing until they arrive.

Atsic was paying her to teach them art, housed with a car to do a few hours work each week.

Those on any free benefit often feel there is more coming in two weeks, why should I work

 

[SirRumpole]

If we look at Alice Springs, the town used be a quiet backwater, in the past 10 years it has exploded, there are Soooooo many "help agencies" that the place is really busy.

The vast majority of the income is for people to assist the aboriginals, I would not be surprised if there are more helpers than those needing help.

Yet when I see a carer pushing a wheelchair the person sitting is appears to be an aboriginal but the carer is usually white. Why not train and employ an aboriginal person to do the pushing ?

Perhaps it is a case of they don't need to do it so they don't, which could be why some activists suggest stopping the dole and have a work scheme instead.

When in northern Qld on a tour we were supposed to have a local guide give us a talk for two hours, the Tour Driver started ringing the white coordinator at 7.00 am to confirm an 8.00 am start.

The coordinator could not get anyone to do it, the offer was $400 for two hour work (ten years ago ) they said "No, too early in the morning"

So we went to the art gallery instead, had a chat to the white manager and asked why no one was painting and she said "oh they only paint when they feel like it" which is OK but she wanders around doing nothing until they arrive.

Atsic was paying her to teach them art, housed with a car to do a few hours work each week.

Those on any free benefit often feel there is more coming in two weeks, why should I work

That's very sad. No work no pay perhaps ?

 

[mullokintyre]

That's very sad. No work no pay perhaps ?

There is just as many non Indigenous welfare lifers. I work as a volunteer at St Vinnies as a financial counsellor trying to help marginal families get on their feet. For the twenty people who are grateful, embarrassed or depressed, I will get one bogan who has known nothing but welfare who come into me with a bunch of bills and just demand that i pay them. We have families that are up to the third and fourth generation where there is no working role model. The thought processes are all about who is going to look after them, and only want quality goods, not second hand stuff. There is no sense of being grateful, or offer thanks, just a sense of entitlement.

 

[macca]

That's very sad. No work no pay perhaps ?

There was some talk about the payments going to the Land Council and them paying "wages" but I have not heard much for a while.

Fitzroy Crossing used to be a dump with "typecast" aboriginals but the last time I was there a new group had been running it for a while and the change was astounding.

New roadhouse, new Tourist Info centre, streets all cleaned up, a few broken windows around but it was so good to see locals driving the Council trucks doing normal work.

On the surface it is a role model of what can be done with good intentions

 

[macca]

There is just as many non Indigenous welfare lifers. I work as a volunteer at St Vinnies as a financial counsellor trying to help marginal families get on their feet. For the twenty people who are grateful, embarrassed or depressed, I will get one bogan who has known nothing but welfare who come into me with a bunch of bills and just demand that i pay them. We have families that are up to the third and fourth generation where there is no working role model. The thought processes are all about who is going to look after them, and only want quality goods, not second hand stuff. There is no sense of being grateful, or offer thanks, just a sense of entitlement.

Victimhood, it really is toxic isn't it

I know people on NDIS, they get about $800 a week tax free for two people, all meds are subsidised and other concessions

All they do is spend it ASAP and then complain they are poor and ask for donations of clothes, furniture etc

Their are plenty of people raising a family on less than that

 

[macca]

This is interesting, this is on the Great Central Road between Uluru and Laverton through the desert.

First thing I noticed when I got to Warakurna is that it is wide open yet Warburton and Tjukayirla both have high fences around the roadhouse, motel and camping areas

Australia's only Indigenous-run police station paving the way for remote communities

https://www.9news.com.au/national/a...orcement/3cfc626d-b05f-43d6-b37d-a7a7eb826337

 

[sptrawler]

That's very sad. No work no pay perhaps ?

Could you imagine the uproar if that was attempted.
I know in a town I lived in an aboriginal mate of mine, his father used to cut wood and sell it, his people used to call him 'uncle Tom'.
It is a difficult problem, when people have become welfare dependent, convincing them that going to work and becoming a wage slave is the way forward. Takes some selling.
When these bonus welfare payments get cut back, it will be interesting to watch the crime statistics IMO.