Israel Folau - Breach of contract or right to free speech?

[Dark Knight 2.0]

Can any Christians on this forum point to where in the Bible it says that homosexuality is a sin and you will go to hell.

Is Satan making the point Heaven and Hell are Man made concepts not specifically in the Bible

 

[satanoperca]

Thanks Moxjo, can you provide the reference in the bible where it states that same sex bonding is

 

[Dark Knight 2.0]

Galatians 5:19-21
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[IFocus]

Can any Christians on this forum point to where in the Bible it says that homosexuality is a sin and you will go to hell.

Not a Christian but have read the Bible

Just note that this is from Paul and translated from Greek of which there is some debate amongst scholars (isnt there always) as to what the correct translation should be as a word (not know)has been changed into two words in regard to the homosexual bit.

BTW JC didn't run down gays.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[SirRumpole]

Lots of different translations.

https://www2.bc.edu/james-bretzke/1Corinthians6TranslationsCompared.pdf

 

[moXJO]

Thanks Moxjo, can you provide the reference in the bible where it states that same sex bonding is

And Folau's post was taken from here:

Don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or males who have sex with males, no thieves, greedy people, drunkards, verbally abusive people, or swindlers will inherit God’s kingdom. And some of you used to be like this. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9–11, CSB)

 

[moXJO]

We are all in hell with the gays anyway. Everything's a bloody sin.

 

[IFocus]

Some discussion here worth a read.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfun...ring-the-confusion-about-1-corinthians-69-10/

This bit may disqualify him "Unfundamentalist "

Dan Wilkinson

Dan is the Executive Editor of the Unfundamentalist Christians blog

 

[IFocus]

We are all in hell with the gays anyway. Everything's a bloody sin.

Not if you repent before dying......time yet Mo

I make a few in that list of sinners........

 

[sptrawler]

Your statements are incorrect. If religion is defined in believing in the supernatural, then by definition someone who's faith defines hell as a place, believes in it. By your definition, God doesn't exist and so therefore nor should religion - bit unfair on believers.

So he did threaten those that are gays/lesbian and believe in the Christian faith and so hence believe hell is a real place.

I can't wait to see that theory tested in court.
For there to be a viable threat, there has to be an ability to carry out the threat.
So how was Folau going to carry out his threat? ring god and tell him another is on the way, send the elevator down.
A bit like going to the police and saying your wife threatened to beat you to death, with a pigeon feather, I know who they would lock up.

 

[moXJO]

ANZ and HCF giving out moral advice/direction is a bit rich isn't it.

Sleeping giants must be doing overtime.

 

[Smurf1976]

Taking a broader approach to all this it would seem to be part of a broader movement.

Post WW2 through to the 90's the concept of freedom of speech was beyond challenge. There was plenty of disagreement and debate over various things but rarely did anyone try to actually silence their opponents. Freedom of speech was seen as a higher principle above any particular issue.

Today however we have Trump, Brexit, trade wars, "fake news", clearly slanted reporting in the mainstream media and what amounts to the gagging of dissent, albeit only partially effective, in various forms via increasing restrictions online and in what traditional media will publish.

As an investor I'm taking the pragmatic approach with history as a guide and noting that rising nationalism, falling trade, open propaganda and a silencing of dissent are all preludes to war.

That may seem a bit extreme but the Folau saga is really just another example of the trend. It's like another random big storm that's part of a changing climate or another random small business closing that's part of a recession. Of itself not of major consequence, I doubt too many will miss one rugby player, but it's the trend that's important here in terms of where things are going. The Folau controversy won't cause a war of course but it's a symptom of the much broader trend in society.

So what's the best way to invest in war? I don't like it but a lot of things seem to be pointing that way so may as well try and make a profit out of it I suppose.

 

[sptrawler]

I hope you are wrong smurf, but it would sort out a lot of the Worlds fiscal imbalance, everyone taking about $300trillion, billion, zillion of debt.
If you have a war, it all gets reset, currencies and Countries debts become forgotten and production is ramped up. LNG export would be curtailed and domestic supply wouldn't be a problem, furnaces would re open or be re built.
Free movement of traveler's stops, drugs become a minor issue, because the young are off fighting and those at home are more concerned about food.
Then when the war finishes, the Countries sit around a table and decide how much each economy is worth, and with that the value of their currency.
It would be very interesting. IMO

 

[PZ.]

Been avoiding this subject since my last post but since it's all over the 'net and I'm curious about what others think on this...

It’s a debate that’s gripped Australia. Take our poll on the seven key questions at the heart of Israel Folau’s fight against his rugby bosses.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sport...u/news-story/95f75461fbb7bae32c41aefbe042e2f0

My responses in blue:

Spoiler

 

[Dark Knight 2.0]

Israel Folau to appear on Alan Jones 's Sky News show tonight. I know you'll all be glued.
Remember, Jones has as much beef with R.A. as he does with Labor.

 

[IFocus]

This is worth a read from a gay

Makes the point of double standards quite well


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ree-speech-that-keeps-gays-in-the-firing-line

 

[wayneL]

This is worth a read from a gay

Makes the point of double standards quite well


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...ree-speech-that-keeps-gays-in-the-firing-line

Hilarious! The left decrying double standards... That's really funny

 

[sptrawler]

It could have been a lot worse, imagine if Folau had said sinners have to do active military service, on Battlestar Galactica. Never to be allowed to return to Earth, unless they rid the Universe of Klingon's, now I could understand him getting sacked for that.

 

[IFocus]

Hilarious! The left decrying double standards... That's really funny

No not left but a perspective from a gay person interesting that religious organisations (not all) expect freedom to discriminate against others and yet cry foul if they feel discriminated against or their freedoms are constrained.

Note the number of people thrown out of religious organisations for saying things they don't agree with.

The whole thing cuts both ways.

Also note the difference between freedom and privilege.

BTW the only surprise from PZ's polls was the gofundme vote

 

[sptrawler]

They have stopped taking donations.
https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-...r-passing-2-million-mark-20190627-p521tg.html