cuttlefish said:Ok realist, contrast the following selected quotes out of this thread by your's truly with the final one.
Realist said:Cuttlefish, thanks for spending hours searching through my posts.
He'll need to be real careful.....if he keeps taking profits and dumping the dogs, he could find himself doing what he and a few pals claim is impossible.....outperforming the market!
Anyway - I can't talk I make all sorts of decisions that I can't explain - but then again I don't put 10 posts saying one thing then do the exact opposite
anyway I've said my bit now.
But I am not one to be critical.
Managing money for a living, I am always interested in new strategies.
BSD said:Out of interest Bunyip, on how many years outperformance are you basing your assumption that you can outperform the market?
2 years, 5 years, 20 years?
Also, what is the extent of the outperformance?
2%, 5%, 20%
What is the annualised volatility of your returns?
5%, 10%, 20%
I am not being critical.
I am making the point that you need to have such data to be able to have a level of confidence that it is your strategy and not the effect of randomness creating the outperformance.
bunyip said:.
I'll tell you the same as I told you in a previous post....I have no interest in trying to convince you. I don't really care what you think, in fact I hope you go on doing exactly what you're already doing.
You regard something as impossible to achieve, simply on the basis that you've never managed to achieve it yourself. If you can't outperform the market, then in your mind nobody else can do it either.
You stick with the outdated theory that if it could be done, everyone would be doing it. Your attitude is very naive, to say the least.
No offence intended, but I really don't feel inclined to lift a finger to help someone like you.
But maybe I'm wrong - maybe you really do have what it takes. Maybe you really are prepared to put in the hard yards to learn a different way of investment that could boost your returns.
And after you've done all that, then and only then might you be qualified to comment on whether or not the market can be beaten by using the approach I've outlined.
Do you have enough 'get up and go' to do all that? Most people don't. Judging from your attitude so far, I doubt if you're any exception.
Bunyip
is anything but the result of randomness and taking a heap of risk.
how much time I devote to markets/risk management
asthe portfolio manager (it is getting too risky)
implies you could be within the majority when I refered tothe wifie (lets pay-off the house)!
Id go withcan only dream of the successes of those who's money they are entrusted to manage.
Absolutely no questionthe wifie (lets pay-off the house)!
Realist
Outlook is more important than historical performance
A perfect example is BlueScope Steel
Former market darling; earnings heaps of cash
Then u get zinc spot price increasing and iron ore price increasing and they are finished; and will not earn another NPAT of $1billion for a long, long time
BSD said:Forget it mate, we are not on the same page.
You don't understand what I am getting at and seem to take personal offence.
I am personally chuffed with the performance of portfolios this year, but I am not stupid enough to believe the massive outperformance of my trading portfolio in the last year is anything but the result of randomness and taking a heap of risk.
Please dont insinuate you are in a distinctly learned position because you have read a couple of books off Amazon. You have no idea regarding how much I study, how much time i devote to markets/risk management and how many various strategies I have tested and monitored.
You will actually find the more you study, the more you realise you don't know.
But heck, ignorance is certainly helping you at this point, why change?
I figured people running such mechanised systems based on statisical advantage would have spreadsheet showing their monthly balance? Or would at least be able to quantify their returns and risk.
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