Realist
Billie Jean is not my lover
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Outlook is more important than historical performance
A perfect example is BlueScope Steel
Former market darling; earnings heaps of cash
And thats exactly why you are happy with 12% a year
WHAT A COMPANY HAS DONE IN THE PAST WILL NOT DRIVE THE SHARE PRICE
Realist said:12% per year will give me $9M in investments alone before I retire, and I will retire early.
You want more than that?
If you are happy with 12%, particularly for the last couple of years,
bunyip said:Hi Ed
Regarding your 70 odd positions and your heavy workload.......
I don't doubt that you're doing well, however I won't ask you to prove it by providing details of your trades or divulging your percentage return on your account - I respect your right to keep your private business private.
But I find myself wondering if perhaps you could do a lot less work and give yourself a lot less stress, yet still achieve excellent returns.
Over the last 10 years I've tried various strategies to profit from the market, including longer term fundamentally based investing. Depending on the method, I've spent anything from all day every day at the computer, to just an hour or so once a week.
The strategy that's given me the best results with the least amount of stress is a trend riding approach from weekly charts, based on finding the best performing sectors, (or worst performing sectors in a bear market) then focusing on the outperforming stocks within those sectors.
Even during sideways markets I've been able to find at least one or two sectors that are trending strongly either up or down, and no shortage of strongly trending stocks within those sectors. And that's without going outside the blue chips.
An example is the US Energy sector which was very bullish over the last few years even while the S & P 500 was drifting more or less sideways for lengthy periods.
What I'm suggesting, Ed, is that if you ever find yourself burning out from your heavy workload, you might want to investigate the more laid back approach of working from weekly charts and spending just an hour or two at your computer each weekend.
I'll believe you'd find this approach would lower your workload and stress levels considerably, but still produce excellent returns.
Bunyip
eddievanhalen said:What you say has some merit Bunyip and that is the intention in a few years. I expect that by the time I am 35yo I will have the capital base I feel I need (being extremely conservative) to be able to retire properly and only spend one day a week working on shares. However until I reach my goal I am happy to continue doing the hard yards and wringing every last dollar out of the market...........especially seeing I'm recently married and we could very shortly be relying solely on my trading income if you know what I mean.
I spent 1-2 years managing things on a weekly basis quite a while ago and the returns were satisfactory for sure. As I mentioned earlier I have been through a long progression from "buy and hold" FA only to TA based futures trader to weekly share trader to full time active manager (shares). Having done them all I can guarantee you I wouldn't be busting my gut if it wasn't improving my returns considerably.
What you have said makes perfect sense though and is part of the longer term plan.
Cheers,
Ed
good luck with them if in fact you really did buy some
Realist said:Fair enough BullMarket, I agree with you not believing other peoples claims.
CDO is the typical stock I would buy though, it makes a profit year after year and is (was) undervalued. Exactly what I buy!
If I told you I bought PDN 3 years ago - that would be suspicious.
Asuming I did by CDO- what should I do?
I bought them with a longterm view - if I sell them now I get hammered with tax. But I can offset that by selling a couple of my losers - and now is the perfect time, one week before Financial year end?
Would you sell or hold in my position. I'm sure most would say sell.
I'd like some money back as well - I wanna buy a car.
bullmarket said:no problem realist
it's already well documented that I don't blindly believe unsubstantiated/unverifiable claims in chatrooms and why, so I'm not jumping on that merry-go-round again here
If for some obscure reason it's important to you that I personally believe you then my earlier posts describe what I need to be convinced.
In the mean time - if you did really buy some then good luck with them
cheers
bullmarket
Would you sell or hold in my position.
haha - sounds like you could do with a slightly more structured plan - maybe if you put some metrics around your valuations then your plan would give you the exit signals (and entry signals).
Ok so if I understand your strategy it is to find stocks that you feel are undervalued, then buy them and hold them forever, unless you feel they've risen by a lot in which case you'll sell them, and you'll also sell them if they've fallen in price and its near tax time and you want to buy a car.
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