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What do Aussies believe re: Evolution?

What do Aussies believe?

  • God created the Earth in the last 10K years

    Votes: 18 7.9%
  • God guided evolution of man over millions of years

    Votes: 30 13.2%
  • Pure evolution - No God Involved

    Votes: 162 71.4%
  • Other (stated below)

    Votes: 17 7.5%

  • Total voters
    227
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?

Evolution is only a theory. Just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean it is correct. Therefore surely evolution is just a belief system just as is religion.


Your understanding of what a theory is and what a theory is accepted to be in science are two different things. Evolution is much more than a belief system. Creation wishes it could only be a theory.

from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
 
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?

I can't believe there is so much arguing going on in this thread. Okay, we could have all guessed some people would like to "push" their beliefs.

Evolution is only a theory.
You know I just love hearing this from people that think they know something about evolution. Tell me honestly Tom...have you spent as much time studying evolution as you have religion?
Just because you can't disprove it doesn't mean it is correct. Therefore surely evolution is just a belief system just as is religion.
Belief system? Oh most holy Darwin, we who were quite literally worms in our ancient bloodlines do most humbly beg you to interceed with the laws of chance so that I might win the lottery. I promise to tithe much wealth to your noble priests and phrophets and promise to recite Mendels Mechanisms most devoutly. Sorry Tommy couldn't resist responding frivolously.
Bring it on Tommy, tell me about your Real Facts. Do they differ from everyday ordinary facts?


Sir O
 
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Anyway as much fun as this is I should get going,

See you peeps on the morrow
 
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Just to add to the previous information about what a scientific theory is to assist those who think that theories are mere hypothesis and speculation.

all from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

The fact that the Theory of Evolution still stands as a theory implies that there have been no observations made to date that disagree with the theory. A stark contrast to creation science that is continually backpedalling into the ever diminishing gaps.

Theory vs Law

compare with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith
 
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?

derty, Or this one mate - the Theory of Gravity
Poetry #1151

For those who thinks warming’s "just theory"
it’s "unproven"; it’s "making you weary",
for a bit of quick levity
test the Theory of Gravity
(just try jumping off cliffs without making a cavity)...
praps you’ll float down to earth feeling cheery.

(It's based on something I read on some website, so not 100% original).
 
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I'll try and avoid jargon as much as possible...and as you consider this, bear in mind that Quentin Smith, one of the brightest atheistic philosophers on the planet, argues similarly.

If conditions for emergence existed, that means emergence reduces to dependence as emergent properties or entities depend on the prior conditions. Without such conditions, nothing can emerge. What those conditions are is irrelevant to the point at hand.

An uncaused entity did not emerge nor was it caused by something else. That's a basic fact of definition. If it emerged or had a cause than it would not be uncaused. Speaking of emergent uncaused entities is incoherent.

In the backwards chain of causation one can easily grasp how each link depends on the prior link. Link 0 Can be explained by link -1 as providing the conditions for its existence. And link -1 can be explained by link -2 and so on. As an example, evolution as a process is understood like this. But as each link is dependent on the prior link then we constantly need another explanation for each link we come across. This is the question at hand. Does the chain of links regress infinitely or is there an end to the chain? If we come to an end, how do we understand that first link?

It's actually impossible (though theoretically conceivable) for the chain to extend backwards infinitely for that would mean an infinite past chain would have been traversed by successive addition...ie.....-> Link x -> link y -> link z -> so on all the way to the present. But an infinite past set cannot be traversed by successive addition because it has no starting point and no matter how many links are crossed an infinite number still remain prior to reaching the present. There must be an initial link that is not infinitely behind us. This link cannot be emergent for that just begs the question. It if is emergent then we still haven't found the first link and need to keep going backwards. It cannot be dependent for the same reason. It must be independent. That means it does not depend on any prior conditions for its own existence. It just is and has always existed. It's difficult to conceive of how such a thing can be as our experience is limited to observing finite things. But lack of imagination should not prevent us from acknowledging its necessity.
 
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?

What if a person has dual australian\american citizenship. If he\she votes on here, is same person voting with american thoughts or australian thoughts?
Gordon -
I'd be interested in your opinion - do you find a different attitude in AUS compared to USA?

Assuming you live in Aus these days - recent influences being mainly Aussie, etc ...
would you give the same answer if put under hypnosis and taken back to your US youth? (assumed)
 
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Americans aren't a bright bunch
 
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YES YOU DO ...that is a convergent series.

1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 ..... etc leads to a whole number, 1 to be exact!
:topic
Also off topic spooly, but I seem to recall you also pointing out that
1+ 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 etc diverged. (i.e. didn't converge the way your example does.)

It's great that someone (Nicole Oresme?) proved that back in 1350
http://faculty.prairiestate.edu/skifowit/htdocs/harmapa.pdf

It has also amazed me that in 1670, a Dane (Ole Roemer - ? - sounds like a Spaniard - or maybe an Italian ) was able to measure speed of light correctly at 300,000 km/sec

 

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Hindsight, the sequence does converge to 2.
 
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Hindsight, the sequence does converge to 2.
mayk
my money's on Nicole Oresme -
mind you he's been dead for 600 years

PS please don't confuse 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 etc (which converges)

with the harmonic series
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 etc (which doesn't)

BTW proof of the former converging ( suitable for a postcard if you wish ...)

H5 = 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32
1 - H5 = 1/32

Hn = 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/16 + 1/32 ... 1/2^n
1 - H5 = 1/2^n


Hence as n approaches infinity, the distance to "1" is 1/2^n , i.e. approaches zero .
QED
 
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?

all this E= mc squared stuff
man has had to work out for hissuff
you'd expect there'd be clues
in the biblical news
but JC didn't know (strangely enough)
 
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?

noi, the topic's evolving you reckon
Welllllllllll 2020, I saw a poem somewhere that said the world is evolving as it should.

In my view, and as you know it must be right, we will stay on this planet for about 10 thousand years and then move steadily to the moon and other planets.
They will refer to the old planet and its gradual decline.

The most talked about concern will be certain spaceships going off course and sending people into outer space. Anyway, just a few will find new planets and set up new life there.

I believe the human occupation of outer space will be very slow but continue for at least 5 billion years.

As to god and religion. Views will be completely modernized and all the dated services in churches, synagogues, mosques - you name it - will be things of the ancient distant past.
 
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?

noi -

I think this bloke says it - more poetically (and more accurately) ...
but you'd have to take the time to listen to it - all of it

"the Earth is where we make our stand !
the folly of human conceit-
the pale blue dot - the only home we've ever known"

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=p86BPM1GV8M
embedded:-
Carl Sagan - Pale Blue Dot
 
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Life imitating art and for no other reason than you mentioning the distant future:

As a result of Hollywood, there already is a modern, workable religion... Jeddiism. As far as I can make out, many of the adherents are quite serious about it. To me it seems like a modernized Tao Te Ching, which is quite cool IMO, if one likes that sort of thing.

May the force be with you... or not, as the case may be.

 
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I can't remember the exact figures now but the UK has enough Jeddiis voting to make it a classified religion. A neighbour put himself down as a Jeddi in the last UK survey because they shut the post office down in the village.
Australia and NZ have nearly as large a following.
 
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Great Link Tradesim - I'll be busy reading this for a while

Sir O
 
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It's all too much for me at the moment - my four year old keeps waking up in the middle of the night and crying at us for no apparent reason, how does evolution explain that??!!

Just to throw something more into the mix, how does the second law of thermodynamics and increasing entropy fit into an evolutionary point of view? When the energy in a closed system is inevitably going to reach its most useless form, where does that leave us?
 
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While we worry that that man-made pollution will eventually make the planet uninhabitable, I consider that man's interference in the laws of natural selection poses a greater threat to our survival. Consider this scenario;

If the Bush family had been share-croppers instead of the inheritors of of ill-gotten wealth, George Junior would not have been President for the last eight years. If he had survived childhood he would have been drafted for Vietnam. If he had survived Vietnam he would now, given his lack of talent, be safely employed as a garbo or roadworker.

As a result of man-made decisions and manipulations he was put in charge or the world's most influential country and allowed to put all our futures in doubt.
 
Re: What do Aussies believe re Evolution?


With a finite past.
 
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